Revalidating a UK issued JAR PPL from abroad (in this case France)
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Revalidating a UK issued JAR PPL from abroad (in this case France)
Revalidating a UK issued JAR PPL from abroad (in this case France)
I've been living in France for nearly 2 years and my JAR PPL requires revalidating. I have the required 12 hours and 1hour instructor flight who has also signed the license for the revalidation for another 2 years.
does anyone know how to handle the SRG1187 .. i have filled in section 1 and 2 with revalidation by experience. presumably the instructor can fill in section 3, but does section 5 "course completion certificate" need to be filled in by them for just a revalidation by experience?
also section 6 about english proficiency is a bit of a puzzle as it has CAA reference. presumably a French (JAR) Instructor has no (uk) CAA reference.
the french instructors at the club are very helpful but used to just submitting things to the SIA (french CAA equivalent)
any help appreciated...thanks!
I've been living in France for nearly 2 years and my JAR PPL requires revalidating. I have the required 12 hours and 1hour instructor flight who has also signed the license for the revalidation for another 2 years.
does anyone know how to handle the SRG1187 .. i have filled in section 1 and 2 with revalidation by experience. presumably the instructor can fill in section 3, but does section 5 "course completion certificate" need to be filled in by them for just a revalidation by experience?
also section 6 about english proficiency is a bit of a puzzle as it has CAA reference. presumably a French (JAR) Instructor has no (uk) CAA reference.
the french instructors at the club are very helpful but used to just submitting things to the SIA (french CAA equivalent)
any help appreciated...thanks!
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Try Sue Virr at Nearly Heaven in Limoges - she'll sort you out.
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First, you can't revalidate by just seeing a JAA instructor. At some point in time you've got to see a JAA *examiner*, even if it's just for a minute.
If you did the 12 hours, 1 hour with an instructor and the 6 landings, simply let a JAA *examiner* take a look at your paperwork (logbook) and let him fill in the SRG\1119 form (not the SRG\1187 form). Note that not all sections are required if it's a revalidation by experience. Read the explanation.
The SRG\1119 form is here: http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/SRG1119.pdf
That same *examiner* is also legally able to sign your class rating revalidation form which is part of your license.
When sending the SRG\1119 form to the CAA, make sure to include a copy of the examiners authorization documents. He or she is likely not known to the UK CAA, and by sending along the authorization forms they know everything's fine.
For a class rating revalidation, no fee is due to the CAA, so you don't need to include any payment forms.
As for the Language Proficiency - Did you do an LPE test already when you got the initial license? What score did you get?
The LPE expires at a different time. In fact, there are a few different expiry times that you've got to take into account:
- The PPL itself expires after five years, and needs to be renewed then.
- The SEP class rating expires after two years. This is the one you're dealing with now.
- Your medical expires somewhere between six months and five years, depending on your age and class of medical.
- Your LPE expires after either three or five years (LPE level 4 and 5, respectively) or never (level 6).
If you got your PPL after April 1st, 2008 (I think that's the date, but not sure) your PPL already included the formal LPE assessment. Depending on what score you got, it means you've got another year or another three years, or you will never have to worry about it again.
If you did the 12 hours, 1 hour with an instructor and the 6 landings, simply let a JAA *examiner* take a look at your paperwork (logbook) and let him fill in the SRG\1119 form (not the SRG\1187 form). Note that not all sections are required if it's a revalidation by experience. Read the explanation.
The SRG\1119 form is here: http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/SRG1119.pdf
That same *examiner* is also legally able to sign your class rating revalidation form which is part of your license.
When sending the SRG\1119 form to the CAA, make sure to include a copy of the examiners authorization documents. He or she is likely not known to the UK CAA, and by sending along the authorization forms they know everything's fine.
For a class rating revalidation, no fee is due to the CAA, so you don't need to include any payment forms.
As for the Language Proficiency - Did you do an LPE test already when you got the initial license? What score did you get?
The LPE expires at a different time. In fact, there are a few different expiry times that you've got to take into account:
- The PPL itself expires after five years, and needs to be renewed then.
- The SEP class rating expires after two years. This is the one you're dealing with now.
- Your medical expires somewhere between six months and five years, depending on your age and class of medical.
- Your LPE expires after either three or five years (LPE level 4 and 5, respectively) or never (level 6).
If you got your PPL after April 1st, 2008 (I think that's the date, but not sure) your PPL already included the formal LPE assessment. Depending on what score you got, it means you've got another year or another three years, or you will never have to worry about it again.
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In my experience, almost every club/school will have a resident examiner. Or at least know where the nearest can be found.
The OP gives his location as Monaco. Limoges is then quite a ways off. I'm pretty sure there are examiners closer by.
After all, any JAA examiner will do. It doesn't have to be an examiner with UK-issued paperwork.
Oh, and with regards to the "she'll sort you out": In my experience if you sort out yourself and then present the examiner with all the proper forms, filled in as far as possible and annotated where the examiner still needs to sign, you'll get much better service, compared to showing up without any paperwork or understanding of the regulations whatsoever, and hoping the examiner will sort you out.
The OP gives his location as Monaco. Limoges is then quite a ways off. I'm pretty sure there are examiners closer by.
After all, any JAA examiner will do. It doesn't have to be an examiner with UK-issued paperwork.
Oh, and with regards to the "she'll sort you out": In my experience if you sort out yourself and then present the examiner with all the proper forms, filled in as far as possible and annotated where the examiner still needs to sign, you'll get much better service, compared to showing up without any paperwork or understanding of the regulations whatsoever, and hoping the examiner will sort you out.
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I have lived in France for ten years and the CAA are quite happy for you to use any JAA instructor to validate your licence. You don't need to go to Limoges or anywhere else if your local flying school has a suitable instructor or examiner.
The CAA do appreciate you sending them details of the re-validation for their own records which can be done by fax or post.
I used to visit the DGAC office at La Rochelle airport to get them to stamp my licence as a belt and braces but it is not obligatory.
The CAA do appreciate you sending them details of the re-validation for their own records which can be done by fax or post.
I used to visit the DGAC office at La Rochelle airport to get them to stamp my licence as a belt and braces but it is not obligatory.
I have lived in France for ten years and the CAA are quite happy for you to use any JAA instructor to validate your licence.
does anyone know how to handle the SRG1187 .. i have filled in section 1 and 2 with revalidation by experience
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the french instructors at the club are very helpful but used to just submitting things to the SIA (french CAA equivalent)
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required 12 hours and 1hour instructor flight
... required 12 hours and 1hour instructor flight ...
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hi...
I have some question to fill the SRG1119 form and to sign my C of R, I d like to know if an CRE can do this...or only FE can do this ?
i have already fly my 12hours and did my training flight...
my second question was for LPE in my flight radiotelephony operator's licence is write validity until 2019...what does'it mean, level 4, 5 or 6 I did my licence in 2009 in USA
thanks for your help is my first time and a little be confuse for me...
stef
I have some question to fill the SRG1119 form and to sign my C of R, I d like to know if an CRE can do this...or only FE can do this ?
i have already fly my 12hours and did my training flight...
my second question was for LPE in my flight radiotelephony operator's licence is write validity until 2019...what does'it mean, level 4, 5 or 6 I did my licence in 2009 in USA
thanks for your help is my first time and a little be confuse for me...
stef
A CRE can sign you revalidation and the SRG 1119.
Regarding LPE on a a UK issued licence, it does not have a validity date. Level 6 is valid indefinitely, Level 5 for 6 years and Level 4 for 3 years. The CAA knows your level and if its below Level 6, they will not reissue the licence after 5 years if you do not have a valid assessment. When EASA comes in they will have to include the validity date on the licence.
Regarding LPE on a a UK issued licence, it does not have a validity date. Level 6 is valid indefinitely, Level 5 for 6 years and Level 4 for 3 years. The CAA knows your level and if its below Level 6, they will not reissue the licence after 5 years if you do not have a valid assessment. When EASA comes in they will have to include the validity date on the licence.
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Hi Cochon...
I also live in France and have a UK issued PPL and need to revalidate. Last time went to Limoges but not possible this time as Sue Virr is on holiday so I hope to get revalidated at my aeroclub but the chief pilot seems unsure whether it is possible.
Did you manage to get your license revalidated without any problems ?
Any further info much appreciated...
I also live in France and have a UK issued PPL and need to revalidate. Last time went to Limoges but not possible this time as Sue Virr is on holiday so I hope to get revalidated at my aeroclub but the chief pilot seems unsure whether it is possible.
Did you manage to get your license revalidated without any problems ?
Any further info much appreciated...
