US patent on flight planning
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I am sure the combined expertise here could out-expert the "patent examiner" who allowed this particular patent to be filed......
Funnily enough, a patent lawyer explained to me once the original (~200 year old) reason for patents:
A patent is a bargain between the inventor and the Crown [the government] whereby the inventor discloses fully how the invention works and how anybody competent can replicate it, for the benefit of society as a whole, and in return for this disclosure the inventor is given a commercial monopoly for a specific time period.
There was never an intention to create monopolies as the prime objective.
patents exist to protect inventor's commercial interests against competitors
A patent is a bargain between the inventor and the Crown [the government] whereby the inventor discloses fully how the invention works and how anybody competent can replicate it, for the benefit of society as a whole, and in return for this disclosure the inventor is given a commercial monopoly for a specific time period.
There was never an intention to create monopolies as the prime objective.
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From: Surrey
LH2,
From a quick look, it would seems Mapserver would count as prior art of a more general nature (obviously it is not aviation specific), but it encompasses the general principle of merging vector and raster graphics and serving them over the internet. Good News!
Jan,
Patents protect intellectual property, the infringement does not need to be for commercial purposes, and the damages are the loss the patent holder experienced as a result of the infringers actions, not the profit or gain of the infringer. Same logic applies to file sharing of copyright material, just because you give away for free copies of Star Wars, doesn't mean you can't be sued.
As an aside, I would have thought Microsoft would have little to say about Linux as Windows is quite derivative in itself and Linux traces its roots to Unix, which substantially pre-dates Windows.
From a quick look, it would seems Mapserver would count as prior art of a more general nature (obviously it is not aviation specific), but it encompasses the general principle of merging vector and raster graphics and serving them over the internet. Good News!
Jan,
Patents protect intellectual property, the infringement does not need to be for commercial purposes, and the damages are the loss the patent holder experienced as a result of the infringers actions, not the profit or gain of the infringer. Same logic applies to file sharing of copyright material, just because you give away for free copies of Star Wars, doesn't mean you can't be sued.
As an aside, I would have thought Microsoft would have little to say about Linux as Windows is quite derivative in itself and Linux traces its roots to Unix, which substantially pre-dates Windows.
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A friend of mine who has been quite deeply involved in filing some US patents advises me that the basic problem is that some patent examiners over there are essentially illiterate, not understanding what the application is about and instead picking up objections based on keyword searches which don't relate to the subject of the patent.
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A patent is a bargain between the inventor and the Crown
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It looks like FlightPrep wants a piece of the big guys too....
From AOPA Flight Planner does not infringe on patent
From AOPA Flight Planner does not infringe on patent
FightPrep has notified entities that provide online flight planning, including AOPA and Jeppesen, that it would like to meet to discuss the FlightPrep patent. The FlightPrep patent is apparently on very specific methods of online flight planning, which Jeppesen has determined are not used in its flight planning products, including the one developed in partnership with AOPA. Therefore, AOPA and Jeppesen have declined to meet with FlightPrep.
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It's a typical predatory patent.
You file a patent, sit on it, and then see who happens to implement the stuff in it, and then you "ask" them for royalties.
Probably a lot easier than starting your own business
You file a patent, sit on it, and then see who happens to implement the stuff in it, and then you "ask" them for royalties.
Probably a lot easier than starting your own business
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From: Daventry UK
Sadly Runway Finder did shut down after all, the page being replaced by a blog which makes interesting reading.
My first step was back to the AOPA (US) flight planner and I'm jolly glad it's still there (for the moment), clunky though it is. It just highlights how far ahead Runway Finder was, as different as colour TV from B&W.
Ultimately I suspect the patentor will feature in some US action by the relatives of an accident victim whereby the safety of flight was eroded by the lack of previously available intuitive flight planning systems.
All very sad. I wonder if the patent applies in UK?
My first step was back to the AOPA (US) flight planner and I'm jolly glad it's still there (for the moment), clunky though it is. It just highlights how far ahead Runway Finder was, as different as colour TV from B&W.
Ultimately I suspect the patentor will feature in some US action by the relatives of an accident victim whereby the safety of flight was eroded by the lack of previously available intuitive flight planning systems.
All very sad. I wonder if the patent applies in UK?
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From: UK
All very sad. I wonder if the patent applies in UK?
