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Old 6th Nov 2010, 15:31
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Gah! Thats kind of question is unreasonable. I think I would go with the taildragger though, and just not look at the yoke. I could fly with my eyes closed couldn't I?

PS, Hatzflyer, I had a Vectra and it didn't have a stick or a hand throttle. I can only assume yours had been adapted for the disabled. I guess the prop control is for the seat recliner.
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Old 22nd Nov 2010, 19:55
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Well, I flew "the beast" (http://users.skynet.be/fa348739/image/skylane-ulm.jpg) last Saturday, though only briefly - 24 min's Hobbs - and of course with an instructor. The difference yoke <==> stick was less hard than I had feared, I had been well prepared on these pages... Elevator control tended to stick, making me push hard before anything moved and then when it moved it moved too much of course.

(added) The one surprise about the yoke was its small size - I had prepared for something like the car's steering wheel, but this thing might be taken from a Formula1 racer.

Much worse was the nosewheel, though! It castored freely (is that correctly worded?) with no linkage to the pedals like I always had up till now. So in the taxi it was differential braking, one gets used to that. But it was strange to have to line up VERY neat, and lift the nose as soon as ever possible, to allow for rudder authority. Well, I'll get used to it, eventually. I hope.

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Old 22nd Nov 2010, 21:08
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So in the taxi it was differential braking, one gets used to that.
True. I fly the DA40 regularly and here's the way I find it easiest to do. I simply set power to about 1400 rpm (which is the warm-up limit anyway) and leave it there. I then use rudder deflection to try and steer the aircraft aerodynamically. If it doesn't steer sufficiently with full deflection I just push the top of the (fully extended) pedal a bit harder to activate differential braking. This way I can taxi relatively smooth without my brain frying, or overuse of the brakes.
But it was strange to have to line up VERY neat, and lift the nose as soon as ever possible, to allow for rudder authority.
Who told you to get the nose up really early and was that really the explanation you got? My experience is that aerodynamic rudder authority is independent of whether you have the nosewheel on the ground or not. But lifting the nosewheel too early will lead to increased aerodynamic drag during the take-off roll (thus extending the roll) and might even get you off the ground too soon - dangerous in gusty conditions.

The only reason I could think of for doing that, arguably, would be if the friction of the nosewheel steering is set incorrectly, leading either to shimmy at higher speeds, or to a stuck nosewheel at lower speeds.

(Plus of course if you take-off from grass or bad concrete, where you lift the nose a bit to reduce pressure on the nosewheel.)
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Old 20th Dec 2010, 19:34
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Nose gear………..stick, throttle in the center…………..what do the experts say about this lay out? I just acquired it and it still needs kitting out, presently I fly with Yoke.



Wonder how my instructor will get me to get used to stick……….

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Old 20th Dec 2010, 20:53
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Paint the panel matte white, put a beamer between your shoulders and simply display all instruments on it.

(If it's good enough for the sim guys, must be good enough for real flying too, not? )
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Old 20th Dec 2010, 23:14
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long-hauler, you'll be fine with the stick, but that instrument scan is going to take some getting used to

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A few years ago I was lucky enough to have the opportunity to fly many different types during around the same period, including a Seneca, C152 texas taildragger, PA28s, Supercub, a Wassmer and a Vagabond. Except for the inital buzz of first flying a cub, neither stick nor yoke made any difference, I stopped noticing.
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Old 21st Dec 2010, 02:45
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I now have more stick time than yoke time - although about 4000 of that is on Airbusses so I'm not sure that counts! But it's safe to say that in my career, the more fun and exciting aircraft have had sticks!

''Now, given a choice of a taildragger with a yoke, or a nosegear aeroplane with a stick, which would the diehards choose then?''

You could come up with lots of combinations, but from my logbook I'm comparing a Cessena 120 to a Tucano.

Stick!
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Old 22nd Dec 2010, 01:30
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YOKE…….

Originally Posted by Genghis the Engineer
long-hauler, you'll be fine with the stick, but that instrument scan is going to take some getting used to
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Thanks Genghis………yeah, I will need to be humble again, climb in the student seat instead of the so called PIC seat--> and enjoy my humble pie!!

Check out one of my Yoke landings in this video for those that are interested………….82mb download.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3820316/Por%20los%20cables.wmv

At 0:35s the closest point of approach with the high voltage line is rather small……….

Cheers!!

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ULH thats the perfect instrument layout for teaching for me
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Cessna

Yoke!! Especially on Cessnas
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Old 29th Dec 2010, 10:20
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mMMmmmm. Yolk.
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Errr stoke?
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