FAA Temporary Airman Certificate
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FAA Temporary Airman Certificate
Has anybody obtained a FAA Temporary Airman Certificate without having to visit a US FAA Office, i.e. managed to get one issued within the UK or Europe. Via the FAA web pages we have tracked down two DPE's (Designated Pilot Examiners) who want around $300 a time to do the necessary on top of their expenses. Reason seems to be these guys are not FAA employees, just Designated Reps.
The two we have tried are Connie Woods and Frederick Schellhorn, has anybody had any dealing with them or can anyone steer us in a different direction except going to the US. Reason for all this is that our group operate an N reg plane and some want to go into Europe where they will need the FAA Temp Certificate. Looks light a bucket flight to Florida coming up.
The two we have tried are Connie Woods and Frederick Schellhorn, has anybody had any dealing with them or can anyone steer us in a different direction except going to the US. Reason for all this is that our group operate an N reg plane and some want to go into Europe where they will need the FAA Temp Certificate. Looks light a bucket flight to Florida coming up.
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There used to be a FAA field office at The Belgrano. I went there to obtain my Temporary Airman's Certificate, but they said that in future ALL such certificates would only be issued in the US.
Most difficult thing was trying to pay - they wouldn't take USD in cash, Eurocheques, sterling.......in the end I had to send an American Express draft over to the US!!
Perhaps your bucket shop flight might be the best method after all!!
Most difficult thing was trying to pay - they wouldn't take USD in cash, Eurocheques, sterling.......in the end I had to send an American Express draft over to the US!!
Perhaps your bucket shop flight might be the best method after all!!
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I had a "one to one conversation" with a top neddy from the FAA only last Tuesday.
His comments included "there are three FAA designated pilot examiners in Europe - two in Frankfurt, Germany and one in Paris, when they leave their posts they will not be replaced"
Any FAA DPE may conduct test flights only in his "local" area - but can apply to examine or issue TAC's in a different area. His application MIGHT NOT be granted.
100LL..my current understanding of an FAA license issued on the basis of a foreign licence (deliberate change of spelling) is that whatever ratings you add to your foreign one will automatically be valid on your FAA one.
I'll check with my FAA friend next time I send him an e-mail (which is tomorrow).
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His comments included "there are three FAA designated pilot examiners in Europe - two in Frankfurt, Germany and one in Paris, when they leave their posts they will not be replaced"
Any FAA DPE may conduct test flights only in his "local" area - but can apply to examine or issue TAC's in a different area. His application MIGHT NOT be granted.
100LL..my current understanding of an FAA license issued on the basis of a foreign licence (deliberate change of spelling) is that whatever ratings you add to your foreign one will automatically be valid on your FAA one.
I'll check with my FAA friend next time I send him an e-mail (which is tomorrow).
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Had another thought about the group that operate an N reg aircraft....which I assume is in the UK (otherwise they would not be asking about TAC's).
Do any of you in the group have an FAA R/T license? Your UK one is not valid - at least for flight outside of UK airspace (don't know if it will even cover flight within UK airspace in an N reg aircraft).
Also remember hearing from a (different) FAA neddy - in Frankfurt actually - that to OWN an N reg aircraft you must, by law, be an American Citizen and the aircraft must spend at least six months of the year within USA airspace.
I know some of you will argue the above paragraph - but I make two points, first, even if the rule IS correct it is not being enforced by the FAA (at least until something goes wrong), and two, I did say that I "heard it from the FAA", I'm not the one saying that it is true.
Comments from the wise?
(Edit for typo)
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[This message has been edited by Bear Cub (edited 04 February 2001).]
Do any of you in the group have an FAA R/T license? Your UK one is not valid - at least for flight outside of UK airspace (don't know if it will even cover flight within UK airspace in an N reg aircraft).
Also remember hearing from a (different) FAA neddy - in Frankfurt actually - that to OWN an N reg aircraft you must, by law, be an American Citizen and the aircraft must spend at least six months of the year within USA airspace.
I know some of you will argue the above paragraph - but I make two points, first, even if the rule IS correct it is not being enforced by the FAA (at least until something goes wrong), and two, I did say that I "heard it from the FAA", I'm not the one saying that it is true.
Comments from the wise?
(Edit for typo)
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Is there any reason you want to obtain the certificate before you get here. Once here the process is painless and cheap (ermm... free if I remember correctly). I walked into an office, and 20 minutes later walked out with a temporary certificate.
FAA DPEs are not employed by the FAA and so need to charge for their services.
As for an FAA R/T certificate. There is no such thing as an R/T certificate in the states, it's all part of the licence.
FAA DPEs are not employed by the FAA and so need to charge for their services.
As for an FAA R/T certificate. There is no such thing as an R/T certificate in the states, it's all part of the licence.
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Mongoose - you win the prize.
I knew if I waited long enough somebody would come along and post what they believe to be true and say it in such a fashion as to suggest it is correct.
THERE IS AN FAA R/T LICENCE. I have one in my wallet.
True - for flight WITHIN U.S. airspace in an 'N' registered aircraft there is no need to hold a radio certificate...as it's all part of the training (as you say).
However, to fly an 'N' registered aircraft OUTSIDE of U.S. airspace there is a requirement to hold a certificate which is issued by the Federal Communications Commission in Pensylvannia (sp?).
To complicate things even further there are two application forms for it - one for U.S. residents and citizens and one for non-U.S. residents.
The fee remains the same - US$50.
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I knew if I waited long enough somebody would come along and post what they believe to be true and say it in such a fashion as to suggest it is correct.
THERE IS AN FAA R/T LICENCE. I have one in my wallet.
True - for flight WITHIN U.S. airspace in an 'N' registered aircraft there is no need to hold a radio certificate...as it's all part of the training (as you say).
However, to fly an 'N' registered aircraft OUTSIDE of U.S. airspace there is a requirement to hold a certificate which is issued by the Federal Communications Commission in Pensylvannia (sp?).
To complicate things even further there are two application forms for it - one for U.S. residents and citizens and one for non-U.S. residents.
The fee remains the same - US$50.
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Well no one has answered my original problem yet, accept AC-DC who looks like he has been through this before with the ten from Elstree. I await his more details with interest. Getting a number of like minded flyers together who all want TAC's might be a way to go. Anyone else out there who wants one. I have about eight so far.
As for Bear Cubs replies he has sent me off on another trail. Have been looking at the FAA and FCC web pages and come up with some very interesting findings. I will also be contacting our Trust Company to get the details on operating (N) reg. planes in the UK.
When I have some concrete factual findings that I can back up and not just hear say, I'll post a reply.
Thanks to all that have so far contributed an input, keep the suggestions coming.
As for Bear Cubs replies he has sent me off on another trail. Have been looking at the FAA and FCC web pages and come up with some very interesting findings. I will also be contacting our Trust Company to get the details on operating (N) reg. planes in the UK.
When I have some concrete factual findings that I can back up and not just hear say, I'll post a reply.
Thanks to all that have so far contributed an input, keep the suggestions coming.
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"That`s not a FAART license its a dog license with the word dog crossed out and the word FAART written in in crayon"
Where did you get it from?
Did you get it from the man from the van that could detect a FAART at 400yds and you being such a happy FAART it was a piece of cake?
Only kidding and appologies to E Idle I think.
I`ve never seen an american R/T license either but if they do exist every US pilot operating a US aircraft outside the States should have one so it should be fairly easy to verify.
GH
"That`s not a FAART license its a dog license with the word dog crossed out and the word FAART written in in crayon"
Where did you get it from?
Did you get it from the man from the van that could detect a FAART at 400yds and you being such a happy FAART it was a piece of cake?
Only kidding and appologies to E Idle I think.
I`ve never seen an american R/T license either but if they do exist every US pilot operating a US aircraft outside the States should have one so it should be fairly easy to verify.
GH
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I say again.
According to senior neddy in FAA....if flying an 'N' registered aircraft within U.S. airspace there is no radio requirement for the pilot (just a radio license for the aircraft - as AC-DC points out).
However, should you fly the aircraft internationally (including Bahamas - for all those visiting Florida) there is a requirement mandated by the Federal Communications Commission that the PILOT holds a "United States of America, Federal Communications Commission, Restricted Radiotelephone Operator Permit"...a little credit card sized thing.
On the back it says "The holder of this permit is authorized to operate any radio station which may be operated by a person holding this class of license. This permit is issued in conformity with Paragraphs 3454 and 3945 of the Radio Regulations, Geneva 1987, and is valid for the lifetime of the holder unless suspended by the FCC."
I have asked the powers that be in Battleship House and they say two things...firstly that the UK R/T licence will allow the pilot to operate the radios of any aircraft but that the aircraft must also comply with the rules of the state of registration (that might not be a word for word copy of what was said - don't quote it directly)...but secondly that, they too, where not aware of the existance of a USA R/T permit.
Go for a browse through the numerous pages of www.fcc.gov and study forms 755 (for pilots of U.S. registered aircraft who DO NOT have the right to work in the USA - either a citizen or a green card holder [not a visa holder]).
If you are a resident or a citizen print out form 753. Same thing - but for residents.
Whichever one you print out, fill it in, cut off the bottom and keep it...post the top part to the FCC in Pensylvannia. The bottom part is an INSTANT (temporary) R/T permit - the real one will come in the mail eventually.
Whichever form you complete - also complete form 1070-R...which is your credit card approval to pay for the permit.
US$50...approx £30
Don't forget to claim the cost back from the tax man in April.
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According to senior neddy in FAA....if flying an 'N' registered aircraft within U.S. airspace there is no radio requirement for the pilot (just a radio license for the aircraft - as AC-DC points out).
However, should you fly the aircraft internationally (including Bahamas - for all those visiting Florida) there is a requirement mandated by the Federal Communications Commission that the PILOT holds a "United States of America, Federal Communications Commission, Restricted Radiotelephone Operator Permit"...a little credit card sized thing.
On the back it says "The holder of this permit is authorized to operate any radio station which may be operated by a person holding this class of license. This permit is issued in conformity with Paragraphs 3454 and 3945 of the Radio Regulations, Geneva 1987, and is valid for the lifetime of the holder unless suspended by the FCC."
I have asked the powers that be in Battleship House and they say two things...firstly that the UK R/T licence will allow the pilot to operate the radios of any aircraft but that the aircraft must also comply with the rules of the state of registration (that might not be a word for word copy of what was said - don't quote it directly)...but secondly that, they too, where not aware of the existance of a USA R/T permit.
Go for a browse through the numerous pages of www.fcc.gov and study forms 755 (for pilots of U.S. registered aircraft who DO NOT have the right to work in the USA - either a citizen or a green card holder [not a visa holder]).
If you are a resident or a citizen print out form 753. Same thing - but for residents.
Whichever one you print out, fill it in, cut off the bottom and keep it...post the top part to the FCC in Pensylvannia. The bottom part is an INSTANT (temporary) R/T permit - the real one will come in the mail eventually.
Whichever form you complete - also complete form 1070-R...which is your credit card approval to pay for the permit.
US$50...approx £30
Don't forget to claim the cost back from the tax man in April.
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>THERE IS AN FAA R/T LICENCE. I have one in
>my wallet.
I think if you look carefully, you'll find that it is an FCC R/T Licence (Federal Communication Commission).
Not required for flight in the US, and I think they've removed the requirement for Canada and Mexico too. AFAIK, flying an N registered AC in the UK on the basis of the FAA licence (ie w/o an appropriate UK or JAA license) will likely require one.
-me
>my wallet.
I think if you look carefully, you'll find that it is an FCC R/T Licence (Federal Communication Commission).
Not required for flight in the US, and I think they've removed the requirement for Canada and Mexico too. AFAIK, flying an N registered AC in the UK on the basis of the FAA licence (ie w/o an appropriate UK or JAA license) will likely require one.
-me
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Low-and-slow..."pedantics rule" (here is where I should put little laughing face to say I'm teasing...but have forgotten how to do it).
You are perfectly correct - it is an FCC thing. I thought I had suggested sufficient of that in my last message....and I also thought that for the many who are not aware of the FCC (as opposed to the FAA) it would make the understanding easier - it is, after all, for use in an FAA aeroplane.
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You are perfectly correct - it is an FCC thing. I thought I had suggested sufficient of that in my last message....and I also thought that for the many who are not aware of the FCC (as opposed to the FAA) it would make the understanding easier - it is, after all, for use in an FAA aeroplane.
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Back to the Airman's Certificate, it shouldn't be too much trouble to get it in the US, no need to pick it up before heading over. The FAA will issue a certificate to any holder of a licence issued by an ICAO state (pretty much all of us). They have offices in every state, the process takes about 20 minutes and they do not charge any fees- just fill out a form, show your licence and a piece of photo ID. They will issue a temporary certificate on the spot and will mail you a permanent one. As for extra ratings, there is no need to notify them- the back of the certificate contains a proviso that it is only valid when accompanied by the foreign licence and that all conditions on the foreign licence apply.
