NPPL Rights
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Just been looking at revalidation of my PPL after a large gap and found that having Type 2 diabetes (tablet control) has put pay to that as CAA say HbA1C 7.5 is max allowed for Class 2
Option may be a GP dec and NPPL which i'm sure should be ok as see no reason that i will not meet DVLA Group 2 limits.
However, can not find anywhere what exactly you can fly as a NPPL, wanting to fly with passengers and being 130kg i think might limit options.
SSEA is max 4 seats but what else, e.g MTOW, engine HP etc
Can anyone tell me the actual limits or point me to where they are specified.
My only other concern here is that EASA may ditch GP meds for NPPLs, is that right, as this might then be a large investment for a somewhta short period.
Also GP cert needs DVLA eyesight requirements but does this mean that unlike CAA 2 you are allowed to have correction with varifocal contact lenses Cannot see anywhere it says not to meet DVLA Group 2.
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Just been looking at revalidation of my PPL after a large gap and found that having Type 2 diabetes (tablet control) has put pay to that as CAA say HbA1C 7.5 is max allowed for Class 2
Option may be a GP dec and NPPL which i'm sure should be ok as see no reason that i will not meet DVLA Group 2 limits.
However, can not find anywhere what exactly you can fly as a NPPL, wanting to fly with passengers and being 130kg i think might limit options.
SSEA is max 4 seats but what else, e.g MTOW, engine HP etc
Can anyone tell me the actual limits or point me to where they are specified.
My only other concern here is that EASA may ditch GP meds for NPPLs, is that right, as this might then be a large investment for a somewhta short period.
Also GP cert needs DVLA eyesight requirements but does this mean that unlike CAA 2 you are allowed to have correction with varifocal contact lenses Cannot see anywhere it says not to meet DVLA Group 2.
Thanks
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NPPL Home Page has details and ANO Schedule 8 gives licence requirements and privileges.
EASA will have a thing called LAPL (Light Aircraft Pilots Licence). It is likely that an NPPL will have conversion to LAPL but as I understand it (ie not very much) this is not yet sure and the requirements to convert are certainly not known.
The LAPL will allow single engine types up to 2000kg with no more than 4 seats,so you would be fine for P28A, C172 etc.
EASA will have a thing called LAPL (Light Aircraft Pilots Licence). It is likely that an NPPL will have conversion to LAPL but as I understand it (ie not very much) this is not yet sure and the requirements to convert are certainly not known.
The LAPL will allow single engine types up to 2000kg with no more than 4 seats,so you would be fine for P28A, C172 etc.
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The EU LAPL will be adopted, though the final details are currently being thrashed out at the EU Commission. Almost certainly, based on information I got this week from 'the horse's mouth' in Cologne, NPPLs will be transitioned to the LAPL, though again there may be a few details requiring 'adjustment'.
As for GP medicals they will be allowed for the LAPL (because it is in the Basic Regulation and member states cannot remove this without changing the Basic Regulation). The GP qualifications are very unlikely to require the additional items put forward in the recent CRD, so GPs should not be 'put off' compared to doing the current NPPL endorsement. The medical standards are set out in the CRD but the mitigating measures for those conditions that do not meet the standard are still under discussion in the AMC material, to be published next year.
As for GP medicals they will be allowed for the LAPL (because it is in the Basic Regulation and member states cannot remove this without changing the Basic Regulation). The GP qualifications are very unlikely to require the additional items put forward in the recent CRD, so GPs should not be 'put off' compared to doing the current NPPL endorsement. The medical standards are set out in the CRD but the mitigating measures for those conditions that do not meet the standard are still under discussion in the AMC material, to be published next year.
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Type 2 diabetes
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The HBA1C of 7.5 is the maximum without or after medication. Tablets such as Metformin are acceptable to the CAA. If after treatment you are able to stabilise below 7.5 then you may retain your Class 2 medical without restriction.
In which case you will not need to consider a NPPL.
The HBA1C of 7.5 is the maximum without or after medication. Tablets such as Metformin are acceptable to the CAA. If after treatment you are able to stabilise below 7.5 then you may retain your Class 2 medical without restriction.
In which case you will not need to consider a NPPL.
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Thanks everyone for the info.
Occasionally, i could get below 7.5 but would say my rolling average is in the 8's so don't think its worth the stress and cost to try and get a Class 2 med, only to have it revoked in the next review if exceeds.
NPPL seems excellant in that i can fly 4 up in a C172 (<2000kg) from Lands End to John O'Groats with controlled T2 diabetes, controlled hypertension, with varifocal contact lenses and no colour blindness requirements limit.
Try doing that with a PPL - i would be classed as unsafe, the colour perception and varifocal lenses seem really odd that one way is safe and the other not!! Especially as wearing varifocals allow the comfortable use of sunglasses something a PPL in similar situation could at best only have clip-ons.
Given the amount i read about getting medicals this seems a great way of flying given that it probably accommodates the needs for 80% of people and only have to meet DVLA Group 2 requirements. OK, the LAPL might change things with GP meds, hopefully not, however if unified and accepted will we not be able to fly in member states from then on.
Hopefully i'm not wrong in what i say and i see the NPPL route as the way to go. One question as an aside, could i fly four up in a 5 seater?
Sure someone will shoot me down if i've got anything wrong from my investigations so far.
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Occasionally, i could get below 7.5 but would say my rolling average is in the 8's so don't think its worth the stress and cost to try and get a Class 2 med, only to have it revoked in the next review if exceeds.
NPPL seems excellant in that i can fly 4 up in a C172 (<2000kg) from Lands End to John O'Groats with controlled T2 diabetes, controlled hypertension, with varifocal contact lenses and no colour blindness requirements limit.
Try doing that with a PPL - i would be classed as unsafe, the colour perception and varifocal lenses seem really odd that one way is safe and the other not!! Especially as wearing varifocals allow the comfortable use of sunglasses something a PPL in similar situation could at best only have clip-ons.
Given the amount i read about getting medicals this seems a great way of flying given that it probably accommodates the needs for 80% of people and only have to meet DVLA Group 2 requirements. OK, the LAPL might change things with GP meds, hopefully not, however if unified and accepted will we not be able to fly in member states from then on.
Hopefully i'm not wrong in what i say and i see the NPPL route as the way to go. One question as an aside, could i fly four up in a 5 seater?
Sure someone will shoot me down if i've got anything wrong from my investigations so far.
Regards
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Holding the NPPL you are permitted to fly any SSEA aeroplanes up to a MAUW of 2000kg. That includes six seaters such as the Saratoga/Cherokee 6. You are correct that just the same you may not carry more than three passengers.
You may also use your NPPL flying to the IOM and the channel islands.
You may also use your NPPL flying to the IOM and the channel islands.
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NPPL seems excellant in that i can fly 4 up in a C172 (<2000kg) from Lands End to John O'Groats
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Please contact me with your email. I am a type one insulin dependant diabetic and have been signed off for flight with passengers as have several other members of Pilots with Diabetes : gathering information to help enable people with type 1 diabetes to fly professionally in the UK there is now a system in place which I will be able to tell you some more about.
All best Karl
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"Occasionally, i could get below 7.5 but would say my rolling average is in the 8's so don't think its worth the stress and cost to try and get a Class 2 med, only to have it revoked in the next review if exceeds."
Forget the stress but wouldn't getting your HbA1c below 7.5 be beneficial to your long term health?
Forget the stress but wouldn't getting your HbA1c below 7.5 be beneficial to your long term health?
