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FLYYYYYYYYYYING
MORNING EVERYBODY
STARTED LEARNING FOR PPL WITH ONE FLYING SCHOOL IN ENGLAND.. I WAS SO IMPRESSED THAT I DID NOT BUY THE COMPANY.. I CHANGED FLYING SCHOOL... HAVE ONLY 8 HOURS FLIGHT AND IT IS BECOMING A DRAG TO LEARN BY DRIP.. DRIP BECAUSE OF THE WEATHER... AM THINKING OF DOING INTENSIVE COURSE IN THE STATES ) ANY ONE HAS DONE AN INTESIVE COURSE IN THE STATES AND COULD RECOMMEND A SCHOOL ( SHORT COURSE AND CHEAP?)
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STARTED LEARNING FOR PPL WITH ONE FLYING SCHOOL IN ENGLAND.. I WAS SO IMPRESSED THAT I DID NOT BUY THE COMPANY.. I CHANGED FLYING SCHOOL... HAVE ONLY 8 HOURS FLIGHT AND IT IS BECOMING A DRAG TO LEARN BY DRIP.. DRIP BECAUSE OF THE WEATHER... AM THINKING OF DOING INTENSIVE COURSE IN THE STATES ) ANY ONE HAS DONE AN INTESIVE COURSE IN THE STATES AND COULD RECOMMEND A SCHOOL ( SHORT COURSE AND CHEAP?)
GENEVIEVE
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Genevieve,
Naples Air Center has responded to all email received as of Friday 2100 GMT. I looked and did not see any email from an email account named [email protected]. Is this the account that you used or should schools be looking for another email account?
Hope to Help,
Capt. Richard J. Gentil, Pres.
Naples Air Center, Inc.
Naples Air Center has responded to all email received as of Friday 2100 GMT. I looked and did not see any email from an email account named [email protected]. Is this the account that you used or should schools be looking for another email account?
Hope to Help,
Capt. Richard J. Gentil, Pres.
Naples Air Center, Inc.
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Sorry: Naples Air center also answered all my mails. Thank you
to Tiny : thanks for the answer. You suggest I learn in the UK.. all the pilots I know have learnt either in Canada or in the States... where did you learn?
to Tiny : thanks for the answer. You suggest I learn in the UK.. all the pilots I know have learnt either in Canada or in the States... where did you learn?
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Ge.
I have been booed off for giving my opinion on this matter but my feelings are just as strong. If you want to fly here, learn here.
1. Guaranteed weather may get you your licence there, but the fact that we dont have such weather here WILL cause you problems.
2. More and more UK flying clubs are losing money on the back of the "Good deals" in the US and some have even had to close down due to the reduction in revenue. If you are English, FLY English.
3. This may cause a few ructions, but I firmly believe that the standard of instruction in England is better (and more suited to English flying) than American. #
The choice is yours Ge. Buy a Chrysler Neon and regret, or buy an Aston and feel proud!
I have been booed off for giving my opinion on this matter but my feelings are just as strong. If you want to fly here, learn here.
1. Guaranteed weather may get you your licence there, but the fact that we dont have such weather here WILL cause you problems.
2. More and more UK flying clubs are losing money on the back of the "Good deals" in the US and some have even had to close down due to the reduction in revenue. If you are English, FLY English.
3. This may cause a few ructions, but I firmly believe that the standard of instruction in England is better (and more suited to English flying) than American. #
The choice is yours Ge. Buy a Chrysler Neon and regret, or buy an Aston and feel proud!
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GE.
I speak on behalf of Britannia Flight Centre and we have responded to all our emails received as of Sunday, 16 Dec. 2300 UTC.
Are you sure you sent emails to all the schools in USA?
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[ 17 December 2001: Message edited by: DesiPilot ]
I speak on behalf of Britannia Flight Centre and we have responded to all our emails received as of Sunday, 16 Dec. 2300 UTC.
Are you sure you sent emails to all the schools in USA?
Jatin Gaur
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Ge.
Why are you learning to fly? If it's purely to get a PPL to use at weekends for your own pleasure, then learn in the UK. If you can't handle cancelling flights because of weather, you won't enjoy flying in the UK after you get your PPL anyway, so save yourself some money and don't bother.
On the other hand, if you're looking to move on to CPL or ATPL, and want everything done as quickly as possible so you can start looking for work, then go for it! And try the Wannabes forum, where you'll find some more sympathetic ears. But I don't think that's what you're trying to do, from reading your post.
Other people have also mentioned that training in the UK will better prepare you for UK weather, UK airspace, etc. As a Brit, who learnt to fly in England, and is currently in the USA flying, I know that the airspace regs are quite different in some areas.
Whatever you do, though, have fun!
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Why are you learning to fly? If it's purely to get a PPL to use at weekends for your own pleasure, then learn in the UK. If you can't handle cancelling flights because of weather, you won't enjoy flying in the UK after you get your PPL anyway, so save yourself some money and don't bother.
On the other hand, if you're looking to move on to CPL or ATPL, and want everything done as quickly as possible so you can start looking for work, then go for it! And try the Wannabes forum, where you'll find some more sympathetic ears. But I don't think that's what you're trying to do, from reading your post.
Other people have also mentioned that training in the UK will better prepare you for UK weather, UK airspace, etc. As a Brit, who learnt to fly in England, and is currently in the USA flying, I know that the airspace regs are quite different in some areas.
Whatever you do, though, have fun!
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UK Flight Training run the JAA course in Longbeach, California. I believe you can also train at Rainbow Air althought they use UKFT examiner for the final flight test.
You dont have to learn to fly in the UK to fly in the UK as someone said earlier - its not 'all different' and if you learn to fly in CA you can find any conditions you want to fly in from blazing sunshie to fog or mountains ranges complete with ski resorts!
The only thing you will have to get used to on return is a different style of RT but that doesnt take long and you for what the differences are you could cover them with a bit of ground school and then polish it up on your check flight for whichever club you join on return.
If you want to know any specifics of either place then feel free to mail me.
Julian.
You dont have to learn to fly in the UK to fly in the UK as someone said earlier - its not 'all different' and if you learn to fly in CA you can find any conditions you want to fly in from blazing sunshie to fog or mountains ranges complete with ski resorts!
The only thing you will have to get used to on return is a different style of RT but that doesnt take long and you for what the differences are you could cover them with a bit of ground school and then polish it up on your check flight for whichever club you join on return.
If you want to know any specifics of either place then feel free to mail me.
Julian.
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The reason I was investigating the possiblitiy to learn in the States is becasue basically I want TO GET ON WITH IT! the weather conditions so far have prevented me from doing it .. it's one step forward two backwards........ really frustrateting.. I do not mind cancelling the flights.......but the lack of progress bothers me......... by the way .. I am not English .. I am not American .... I am French born in North Africa.. my grand parents were Spanish and my father was born in Shanghai...... his family comes originally from Corsica so shoudl I go there and learn ? I have been living here for the last 20 years anyway !
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French...born in North Africa...Spanish parents...father born in Shanghai...family originally from Corsica...all of a sudden I feel very dull 
Ge, I sympahise and toyed with the idea myself, particularly when I had to wait so long to do my XCQ. However, work wouldn't accomodate. Now I have to agree with the other and I'm pleased I learn't here. Next year I'm off to see family in Virginia and plan to fly there. With the skills I've picked up here, I feel quite confident I'll be able to handle the flying over there.
Salut!
Ge, I sympahise and toyed with the idea myself, particularly when I had to wait so long to do my XCQ. However, work wouldn't accomodate. Now I have to agree with the other and I'm pleased I learn't here. Next year I'm off to see family in Virginia and plan to fly there. With the skills I've picked up here, I feel quite confident I'll be able to handle the flying over there.
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Well thank you guys...never received so many responses in such as short space of time ...... wish I could cram as many flying lessons in such little time... by the way I did not email all the flying schools in the states....... I do not think I did say this in my now "edited" original message.. so please don't get offended.... most people have been pretty good at sending me some kind of information.... so thank you ....
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I struggled with UK weather, instructor availability & own availability for a year without getting very far, about 10 hours in total - before going to the states and finishing the whole thing off within a couple of weeks.
It's the only way I was ever going to get it done.
The standard of instruction in the USA was no worse. I didn't have any trouble dealing with the weather when I got back. The other differences are so small there isn't much change at all. If you're sensible when you get back from Florida or wherever, you'll be fine.
It's the only way I was ever going to get it done.
The standard of instruction in the USA was no worse. I didn't have any trouble dealing with the weather when I got back. The other differences are so small there isn't much change at all. If you're sensible when you get back from Florida or wherever, you'll be fine.
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Hang on a minute!! Despite assurances that Ge. is a multi-national - this thread does not ring true.
The original posting has been heavily edited by Pprune Towers as it contained some comments about a certain flight school in the USA - and how wonderful it was.
Not going to mention the name of the school but whenever anybody posts any good comments about any other USA FTO, the owner of unmentionable accuses the writer of being directly employed by that FTO.
The original contents of the first message appeared to suggest that only one USA based school (the unmentionable one) had bothered to reply to approaches made by e-mail...and, as such, they appeared to be the best.
As I am in contact with many JAA FTO's in the USA (but not employed by any) I have researched this claim and everyone, so far, has said that they have not received an e-mail - which is why they haven't answered...although Ge. says that Naples (Air Center) did answer.
The original message gave a credit to "Patsy" for having replied...could I ask Ge. which other schools did he/she contact (that didn't respond), and who - at Naples - wrote the reply??
I'm also curious about the phrase "never received so many responses in such as short space of time" is that because you registered with Pprune on December 14th, posted this message on December 15th, and have only made 5 postings all together??
Something strange going on here!!
The original posting has been heavily edited by Pprune Towers as it contained some comments about a certain flight school in the USA - and how wonderful it was.
Not going to mention the name of the school but whenever anybody posts any good comments about any other USA FTO, the owner of unmentionable accuses the writer of being directly employed by that FTO.
The original contents of the first message appeared to suggest that only one USA based school (the unmentionable one) had bothered to reply to approaches made by e-mail...and, as such, they appeared to be the best.
As I am in contact with many JAA FTO's in the USA (but not employed by any) I have researched this claim and everyone, so far, has said that they have not received an e-mail - which is why they haven't answered...although Ge. says that Naples (Air Center) did answer.
The original message gave a credit to "Patsy" for having replied...could I ask Ge. which other schools did he/she contact (that didn't respond), and who - at Naples - wrote the reply??
I'm also curious about the phrase "never received so many responses in such as short space of time" is that because you registered with Pprune on December 14th, posted this message on December 15th, and have only made 5 postings all together??
Something strange going on here!!
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Ge,
Just to throw my opinions into the ring...
I thought long and hard about where to learn to fly. I had many conflicting thought processes but pro's and con's that I saw were something like this:
US. For:
Cheap, can rely on weather so few delays, easy to get residential courses
US Against:
Limited number of JAA schools, weather etc not like UK, some airspace differences, some flying clubs look down their noses at you back in the UK if you turn up with a new PPL from a US school. Some of these clubs seem to have the opinion that the US training is not as rigerous.
UK For:
Same airspace rules as I would subsequently fly, have to deal with weather, JAA licence with no conversion problems
UK Against:
Few residential courses, high cost, many weather delays, and if done piecemeal I would have to deal with pressures of work and weather constraints. In addition some have grass strips which waterlog and become unusable in poor weather.
What finally dawned on me is the Channel Islands and I finally opted for learning at Jersey Aero Club for the following reasons:
UK airspace, but also Class A, so very tight on radio procedures, clearances etc. Good to learn this from the start.
Experience of being in the circuit with regional airliners, but traffic not too frequent or heavy to cause delays.
Single hard runway, so not only unaffected by wet weather, but you learn to deal with crosswinds pretty quickly.
No VAT or duty on Avgas 100LL in the Channel Islands - on airfield price of fuel around 50 pence per litre ! - so the course is cheap (or at least it was at the time, you'll have to check now).
Residential course with all inclusive price.
Cross country flights take you into French airspace, so you also get experience that may come in useful for continental touring.
The weather is better than most of mainland UK. This is not just because it is further south, but also being offshore it tends not to have a cloud cap when you can see one over mainland France 12 miles away. I learned to fly at September to October time of year and I only had 2 days in 4 weeks that flying was cancelled due to wx.
The only thing that I can not comment on is the ground school as I did a lot of self study and did not make use of their ground school instruction. To be fair, I am sure that they would have done some ground school for me, but as I did not ask for any I think it suited them to let me get on with it myself. This was one of the advantages of a residential course, you can spend 4 weeks thinking about nothing but learning to fly, so coursework becomes your only priority other than flying.
I hope that this gives you another idea and so good luck and I hope you get something sorted.
Just to throw my opinions into the ring...
I thought long and hard about where to learn to fly. I had many conflicting thought processes but pro's and con's that I saw were something like this:
US. For:
Cheap, can rely on weather so few delays, easy to get residential courses
US Against:
Limited number of JAA schools, weather etc not like UK, some airspace differences, some flying clubs look down their noses at you back in the UK if you turn up with a new PPL from a US school. Some of these clubs seem to have the opinion that the US training is not as rigerous.
UK For:
Same airspace rules as I would subsequently fly, have to deal with weather, JAA licence with no conversion problems
UK Against:
Few residential courses, high cost, many weather delays, and if done piecemeal I would have to deal with pressures of work and weather constraints. In addition some have grass strips which waterlog and become unusable in poor weather.
What finally dawned on me is the Channel Islands and I finally opted for learning at Jersey Aero Club for the following reasons:
UK airspace, but also Class A, so very tight on radio procedures, clearances etc. Good to learn this from the start.
Experience of being in the circuit with regional airliners, but traffic not too frequent or heavy to cause delays.
Single hard runway, so not only unaffected by wet weather, but you learn to deal with crosswinds pretty quickly.
No VAT or duty on Avgas 100LL in the Channel Islands - on airfield price of fuel around 50 pence per litre ! - so the course is cheap (or at least it was at the time, you'll have to check now).
Residential course with all inclusive price.
Cross country flights take you into French airspace, so you also get experience that may come in useful for continental touring.
The weather is better than most of mainland UK. This is not just because it is further south, but also being offshore it tends not to have a cloud cap when you can see one over mainland France 12 miles away. I learned to fly at September to October time of year and I only had 2 days in 4 weeks that flying was cancelled due to wx.
The only thing that I can not comment on is the ground school as I did a lot of self study and did not make use of their ground school instruction. To be fair, I am sure that they would have done some ground school for me, but as I did not ask for any I think it suited them to let me get on with it myself. This was one of the advantages of a residential course, you can spend 4 weeks thinking about nothing but learning to fly, so coursework becomes your only priority other than flying.
I hope that this gives you another idea and so good luck and I hope you get something sorted.
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Inverted Systems I did residential and I would reccommend sitting the exams before you start the flying - that way all you have to concentrate on is keeping the plane upright
Used to watch fellow students on both my PPL and IR retiring at night to hit the books whilst I could wander off and basically do what I wanted.
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Used to watch fellow students on both my PPL and IR retiring at night to hit the books whilst I could wander off and basically do what I wanted.
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Hi Gone west.... nothing strange going on here .. I can assure you... I bought the Flyer ( sorry I mentioned the name of the magazine) and went through the ads at the back. Some schools answered my mail some did not ..... the school I was referring to got back in touch with me pretty quickly on both occasions........that's all... I never said I had written to ALL the schools in the USA
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Toppers calls it correct. Cut to the chase. If you Want to fly here, learn here. You can have a great time in the states, but with respect, the quality of training is generally accepted better in the UK.
This debate goes on and on. Ive done **** loads of investigation into this, and I stand by what I have said.
Mail me if you want more info.
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This debate goes on and on. Ive done **** loads of investigation into this, and I stand by what I have said.
Mail me if you want more info.
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