Sportcruiser - Opinions?
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An RV burring 33lph of avgas at £1.75 will cost £3465 for 95 hours.
An MCR burning 18.5 lph of mogas at £1.15 will cost £2021 for 95 hours.
Difference in cost per hour is £36.5!
“I wonder if the Sportcruiser will still be returning such numbers after 13,000 hours of flying?”
I would hope that all the SC (and the MCR’s) will have been scrapped and replaced with more efficient machines.
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An MCR burning 18.5 lph of mogas at £1.15 will cost £2021 for 95 hours.
Difference in cost per hour is £36.5!
“I wonder if the Sportcruiser will still be returning such numbers after 13,000 hours of flying?”
I would hope that all the SC (and the MCR’s) will have been scrapped and replaced with more efficient machines.
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All of these figures are accademic really.You can over quantify any statistic ( that's what we are really into here) and persuade yourself into or out of any particular type.
I have owned many many aircraft,up untill I got my RV I never kept one for more than a few months.I have had the RV for three and a half years so that says it all.
For me it is the perfect aircraft,Like Rod I never thought I could afford to run one.However I have never had a moments regret, and over the years haven't found the fuel burn too prohibative and have learnt to adjust and live with the sacrifices that I have to make in other areas of my life.This is because the whole package of the aircraft is right for me at this time of my life and what I want to do.
The point is it gives me overall satisfaction and that is why I have kept it.I love the looks, the speed, the handling et al.No one factor is enough to make any aircraft the ideal aircraft and I believe that the rquirements change as your life changes as well.
That's why you can't just analyse everything in terms of absolute speed or fuel burn or annual costs. If you are opperating on an absolute fixed budget there will always be something to burst the bubble, I just did something stupid and blew my engine up. It will cost me thousands.It certainly makes a nonsense of deciding what plane to buy based on ex £'s per year on fuel !
I have owned many many aircraft,up untill I got my RV I never kept one for more than a few months.I have had the RV for three and a half years so that says it all.
For me it is the perfect aircraft,Like Rod I never thought I could afford to run one.However I have never had a moments regret, and over the years haven't found the fuel burn too prohibative and have learnt to adjust and live with the sacrifices that I have to make in other areas of my life.This is because the whole package of the aircraft is right for me at this time of my life and what I want to do.
The point is it gives me overall satisfaction and that is why I have kept it.I love the looks, the speed, the handling et al.No one factor is enough to make any aircraft the ideal aircraft and I believe that the rquirements change as your life changes as well.
That's why you can't just analyse everything in terms of absolute speed or fuel burn or annual costs. If you are opperating on an absolute fixed budget there will always be something to burst the bubble, I just did something stupid and blew my engine up. It will cost me thousands.It certainly makes a nonsense of deciding what plane to buy based on ex £'s per year on fuel !
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“If you are opperating on an absolute fixed budget there will always be something to burst the bubble,”
Well I hope not. My rigid budget for this year is £4200. Next years will be £4000. This will not get exceeded. Been flying on fixed budgets for 20 years and have only exceeded it once, which grounded me for 9 months to get back on track.
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Well I hope not. My rigid budget for this year is £4200. Next years will be £4000. This will not get exceeded. Been flying on fixed budgets for 20 years and have only exceeded it once, which grounded me for 9 months to get back on track.
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I have owned many many aircraft,up untill I got my RV I never kept one for more than a few months.
Otherwise, how do you fund the depreciation?
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Rod, you, like me have been lucky so far, but as excellent as they are,rotaxes do go wrong.There is a whole industry that has sprung up to support them.
To say that your budget will not be exceeded is impossible unless you are resigned to the fact that you will give up flying if (when) you face a major expense.
This is the one time when it is better to be in a group with a healthy engine fund.
My choice has always been to take that risk and if the unthinkable happens accept that I will have to deal with it.
I now have multiple choices to make.I can have a new engine and then sell the aircraft to pay for it, or sell shares or bite the bullit.
You already know what I'll do !
IO, I don't really understand your post unless its a weak attempt at a sarcastic swipe at me (again!). If I struggle to run an Rv and only do so by sacrificing other things that normal people do , (like owning a decent car for example) then that is my choice and my buisness.
I don't take pops at you or anyone else that has money and chooses to run expensive kit.That's your buisness.
What I sometimes do is champion LAA style flying in order to point out that there are more affordable ways to fly.
I also support gliding, hang gliding, model flying and anything else remotely connected to any form of flight.
So I wish you would wind your neck in and stop bashing anyone that doesn't fly a TB10.
To say that your budget will not be exceeded is impossible unless you are resigned to the fact that you will give up flying if (when) you face a major expense.
This is the one time when it is better to be in a group with a healthy engine fund.
My choice has always been to take that risk and if the unthinkable happens accept that I will have to deal with it.
I now have multiple choices to make.I can have a new engine and then sell the aircraft to pay for it, or sell shares or bite the bullit.
You already know what I'll do !
IO, I don't really understand your post unless its a weak attempt at a sarcastic swipe at me (again!). If I struggle to run an Rv and only do so by sacrificing other things that normal people do , (like owning a decent car for example) then that is my choice and my buisness.
I don't take pops at you or anyone else that has money and chooses to run expensive kit.That's your buisness.
What I sometimes do is champion LAA style flying in order to point out that there are more affordable ways to fly.
I also support gliding, hang gliding, model flying and anything else remotely connected to any form of flight.
So I wish you would wind your neck in and stop bashing anyone that doesn't fly a TB10.
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Hatz - it was a straight question.
As everybody knows, I rarely bother to write anything here that is particularly sophisticated
If I changed a plane (that I actually owned) every few months, the depreciation funding would be horrendous. And I do tend to pick people up on writing stuff that sounds totally implausible.
I don't fly a TB10, BTW. And my car is a 1995 Toyota.
As everybody knows, I rarely bother to write anything here that is particularly sophisticated
If I changed a plane (that I actually owned) every few months, the depreciation funding would be horrendous. And I do tend to pick people up on writing stuff that sounds totally implausible.
I don't fly a TB10, BTW. And my car is a 1995 Toyota.
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Is "totally implausible" insinuating I am lying ?
Do you want a list of the aircraft that I have owned together with proof?
Do you want a list of the aircraft that I have owned together with proof?
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Is it possible to insinuate something against an anonymous identity on an internet forum?
Anyway, I still can't see how you can own a plane for a few months, then sell it, and keep doing this, without spending a great deal of money.
Perhaps you have indeed spent a great deal of money. I have no problem with that. I know how much I spend on this hobby..... But that is somewhat less than consistent with being a dedicated "homebuilt" flyer.
BTW, how is your friend doing... the one who flew a "diversion" from the UK to Switzerland, no flight plan, no radio, and got apparently busted £20k for it? It would be really interesting to know more.
Anyway, I still can't see how you can own a plane for a few months, then sell it, and keep doing this, without spending a great deal of money.
Perhaps you have indeed spent a great deal of money. I have no problem with that. I know how much I spend on this hobby..... But that is somewhat less than consistent with being a dedicated "homebuilt" flyer.
BTW, how is your friend doing... the one who flew a "diversion" from the UK to Switzerland, no flight plan, no radio, and got apparently busted £20k for it? It would be really interesting to know more.
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If you really want to know more its a matter of public record. He was cleared in court and awarded costs.
I will not rise to any more of your baiting as of now. You obviously enjoy anonimously slagging off others which just goes to show what a sad life you lead.
I do feel sorry for you, but this is the last time I will have any correspondance with you,as unlike you I am not that sad and am privaledged to have a large number of friends in flying circles that can vouch for any claims that I have made on this forum.
I will not rise to any more of your baiting as of now. You obviously enjoy anonimously slagging off others which just goes to show what a sad life you lead.
I do feel sorry for you, but this is the last time I will have any correspondance with you,as unlike you I am not that sad and am privaledged to have a large number of friends in flying circles that can vouch for any claims that I have made on this forum.
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IO540, I know hatzflyer and he is telling the truth.
“Anyway, I still can't see how you can own a plane for a few months, then sell it, and keep doing this, without spending a great deal of money.”
That is because when it comes to LAA aircraft you have impaired vision.
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You are quite right, I used the difference rather than the total. The post should have read;
An RV burring 33lph of avgas at £1.75 will cost £5486 for 95 hours.
An MCR burning 18.5 lph of mogas at £1.15 will cost £2021 for 95 hours.
Difference in cost is £3465 or £36.5 per hour!
Rod1
“Anyway, I still can't see how you can own a plane for a few months, then sell it, and keep doing this, without spending a great deal of money.”
That is because when it comes to LAA aircraft you have impaired vision.
patowalker
You are quite right, I used the difference rather than the total. The post should have read;
An RV burring 33lph of avgas at £1.75 will cost £5486 for 95 hours.
An MCR burning 18.5 lph of mogas at £1.15 will cost £2021 for 95 hours.
Difference in cost is £3465 or £36.5 per hour!
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Ironically, most SprotCruiser kits were imported when the dollar was very cheap. Those of us that subsequently sold our SCs did not take a hit from depreciation, au contraire
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I went from a Rotax machine to an RV and there is no getting away from it the fuel bill goes up. Having said that if you can afford the extra they are great fun.
I'm sure you know this but if pottering around doing a local theres no need to do 150kts, 125Kts gives me about 24Lts an hour and my 6 has a IO360.
I have flown down to Spain and back in the RV with a CTSW following along and I burned about 40Ltrs more than him over about 1500Nm. Don't know if this helps with your descion on a 7 but it helps me, sort of.
I went from a Rotax machine to an RV and there is no getting away from it the fuel bill goes up. Having said that if you can afford the extra they are great fun.
I'm sure you know this but if pottering around doing a local theres no need to do 150kts, 125Kts gives me about 24Lts an hour and my 6 has a IO360.
I have flown down to Spain and back in the RV with a CTSW following along and I burned about 40Ltrs more than him over about 1500Nm. Don't know if this helps with your descion on a 7 but it helps me, sort of.
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Ironically, most SprotCruiser kits were imported when the dollar was very cheap
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A friend of mine bought a Sportcruiser kit when they first apeared for about £35k (from memory) they are seling for over £60K now and I was told the new "Pipersport" is well over £100K
As for fuel burn Steve K is correct, we have travelled all round Europe in Rvs with Rotax microlights following and fuel burn is sililar as they are in the air for twice as long for the same leg.
having said that i have a pitts with an IO 360 that burns less on a trip than one of my other aircraft that has a Rotax 912s!!! so the can burn 27 litres an hour when instructed to!!!
As for fuel burn Steve K is correct, we have travelled all round Europe in Rvs with Rotax microlights following and fuel burn is sililar as they are in the air for twice as long for the same leg.
having said that i have a pitts with an IO 360 that burns less on a trip than one of my other aircraft that has a Rotax 912s!!! so the can burn 27 litres an hour when instructed to!!!
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The sports cruiser isn't the only one to go up in price. C42 and I had a deposit on a TL Sting in 2006 and at the time they were £39k. Now they are £65k. I know the euro rate was a lot to do with this but anyone buying before these rises happened have made a great investment and could sell at a nice profit.
Not all of us are so lucky of course, C42 and I cancelled our deposit on the Sting.
Not all of us are so lucky of course, C42 and I cancelled our deposit on the Sting.