No-hope or no-point NOTAMS?
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No-hope or no-point NOTAMS?
The AIS website shows some NOTAMS that make me think..... why, or what...?
Here's the latest "no-hoper":
It's the location of a navigation beacon for goodness' sake....! 
Here's the latest "no-hoper":
Q) EGTT/QROXX/IV/NBO/W/000/025/5118N00027W002
B) FROM: 10/09/28 13:25C) TO: 10/10/13 23:59
E) PILOTS ARE REQUESTED NOT TO OVERFLY. FILMING WI 2NM RADIUS
5118N 00027W (WISLEY DISUSED AD, OCKHAM, SURREY).
10-09-0663/AS 2.
LOWER: SFC
UPPER: 2200FT AMSL
SCHEDULE: SEP 28-30 AND OCT 01-13 HJ
B) FROM: 10/09/28 13:25C) TO: 10/10/13 23:59
E) PILOTS ARE REQUESTED NOT TO OVERFLY. FILMING WI 2NM RADIUS
5118N 00027W (WISLEY DISUSED AD, OCKHAM, SURREY).
10-09-0663/AS 2.
LOWER: SFC
UPPER: 2200FT AMSL
SCHEDULE: SEP 28-30 AND OCT 01-13 HJ
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Presumably that's why they've asked pilots to avoid it - because they know there's lots of traffic. Seems logical to me. Anyway isn't everyone always saying these days that they never use NDBs, how useless they are etc?
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Well you should not realy be navigating by ADF at that sort of hight any way. But thanks for pointing that one out. Made me laugh any way. Every flight I do the company briefing system has pages of that sort of notam. Totally irelevant to our flight. I'll start reading them now looking for classics like that. (After I've finished the papers.
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If you are looking for classics, plot a route around Greece/Turkey and read the reams of territorial disputes, citing treaties dating back to 1952 
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Well you should not realy be navigating by ADF at that sort of hight any way.
OCK is conveniently located in the tight squeeze between the London CTR and the Gatwick CTR. By dialing the appropriate heading on the OBS you have one additional gross error check (in addition to following the M25) that you're not straying into someones airspace.
Places like that, I tend to use all the nav tools that are available to me. The Mk.1 eyeball, map, compass & timer, radio nav, GPS. Regardless of my altitude.
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Anyway isn't everyone always saying these days that they never use NDBs, how useless they are etc?
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doubledolphins: Well you should not realy be navigating by ADF at that sort of hight any way.
It's a VOR/DME, on a busy GA route.
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Is this not an abuse of the NOTAM system?
I thought NOTAMs were meant to be for informing us pilots of matters of genuine importance, e.g. TRAs, U/S Nav beacons/Radar, ATC issues, Mil activity, Danger Area (de)activation etc.
Asking (not instructing) pilots to avoid overflying a VOR because someone's filming something for telly is neither reasonable nor an issue to be NOTAMed...
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I thought NOTAMs were meant to be for informing us pilots of matters of genuine importance, e.g. TRAs, U/S Nav beacons/Radar, ATC issues, Mil activity, Danger Area (de)activation etc.
Asking (not instructing) pilots to avoid overflying a VOR because someone's filming something for telly is neither reasonable nor an issue to be NOTAMed...
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Q) Egtt/qroxx/iv/nbo/w/000/025/5118n00027w002
B) From: 10/09/28 13:25c) To: 10/10/13 23:59
E) Pilots Are Invited To Practice Visual And Vor/dme Approaches At Wisley Disused Ad 5118n 00027w (ockham, Surrey). Min Altitude Of Overflying The Runway 500ft Agl. Noise Augmentation Procedures In Effect: Aircraft Are Requested To Maintain Runway Centerline At Lowest Permitted Height With Max Throttle And Rpm. All Aircraft Overflying Wisley At Or Below 1000ft Agl Will Feature In Tv Show.
Lower: Sfc
Upper: 2200ft Amsl
Schedule: Sep 28-30 And Oct 01-13 Hj
(Edited: If you post an all-caps post in PPRuNe it automatically converts it to the above...)
B) From: 10/09/28 13:25c) To: 10/10/13 23:59
E) Pilots Are Invited To Practice Visual And Vor/dme Approaches At Wisley Disused Ad 5118n 00027w (ockham, Surrey). Min Altitude Of Overflying The Runway 500ft Agl. Noise Augmentation Procedures In Effect: Aircraft Are Requested To Maintain Runway Centerline At Lowest Permitted Height With Max Throttle And Rpm. All Aircraft Overflying Wisley At Or Below 1000ft Agl Will Feature In Tv Show.
Lower: Sfc
Upper: 2200ft Amsl
Schedule: Sep 28-30 And Oct 01-13 Hj
(Edited: If you post an all-caps post in PPRuNe it automatically converts it to the above...
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Is this not an abuse of the NOTAM system?
I thought NOTAMs were meant to be for informing us pilots of matters of genuine importance, e.g. TRAs, U/S Nav beacons/Radar, ATC issues, Mil activity, Danger Area (de)activation etc.
Asking (not instructing) pilots to avoid overflying a VOR because someone's filming something for telly is neither reasonable nor an issue to be NOTAMed...
Smithy
I thought NOTAMs were meant to be for informing us pilots of matters of genuine importance, e.g. TRAs, U/S Nav beacons/Radar, ATC issues, Mil activity, Danger Area (de)activation etc.
Asking (not instructing) pilots to avoid overflying a VOR because someone's filming something for telly is neither reasonable nor an issue to be NOTAMed...
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Very witty BP 
I was thinking the same gpn01. Does the CAA not have to approve NOTAMs for publication before they are issued? Or as you say can any munchkin apply for a NOTAM for whatever reason willy-nilly?
What a load of pish.
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I was thinking the same gpn01. Does the CAA not have to approve NOTAMs for publication before they are issued? Or as you say can any munchkin apply for a NOTAM for whatever reason willy-nilly?
What a load of pish.
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Nope anyone once they find out how the system works can submit NOTAMS.
I was asked by a white settler how to get a NOTAM in stating that there was kites on cables up to 500ft on his croft that he had just bought.
Some nimby BB had recommend it as a method to stop low level jets overflying properties.
To be honest I don't really mind the Telly folk doing an occassional one like the example. It pisses me off way more when they block roads and other such antics with no warning.
I was asked by a white settler how to get a NOTAM in stating that there was kites on cables up to 500ft on his croft that he had just bought.
Some nimby BB had recommend it as a method to stop low level jets overflying properties.
To be honest I don't really mind the Telly folk doing an occassional one like the example. It pisses me off way more when they block roads and other such antics with no warning.
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Not an unreasonable request IMHO. I appreciate that we are all Sky Gods determined to exercise our inalienable rights to fly where and when we want within the legal envelope, however a little courtesy to others goes a long way.
FYI most NOTAM requests are handled by AUS (Airspace Utilisation Section) of the CAA whose job it is to try and deconflict stuff.
A word of warning:- Matt Lee has recently transferred from AUS to a new Role as Head of Enforcement at the CAA. Ignore those RA(T) at your peril!
CAA appoints new Enforcement head | CAA Newsroom | CAA
FYI most NOTAM requests are handled by AUS (Airspace Utilisation Section) of the CAA whose job it is to try and deconflict stuff.
A word of warning:- Matt Lee has recently transferred from AUS to a new Role as Head of Enforcement at the CAA. Ignore those RA(T) at your peril!
CAA appoints new Enforcement head | CAA Newsroom | CAA
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Not an unreasonable request IMHO. I appreciate that we are all Sky Gods determined to exercise our inalienable rights to fly where and when we want within the legal envelope, however a little courtesy to others goes a long way.
The point of this thread is not to be discourteous to others. However, this and other NOTAMs are of no real use to pilots or are unreasonable. I can give more examples!
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Fair point Mike, although I think it misses the issue somewhat.
The NOTAM system is purely for important notices to pilots relating to safety. Issuing NOTAMs to ask people to keep clear of a VOR because filming for a gogglebox programme is happening is not a safety issue, therefore it is not a constructive nor correct use of the NOTAM system.
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The NOTAM system is purely for important notices to pilots relating to safety. Issuing NOTAMs to ask people to keep clear of a VOR because filming for a gogglebox programme is happening is not a safety issue, therefore it is not a constructive nor correct use of the NOTAM system.
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I wonder if the sponsor of this NOTAM is aware that Fairoaks arrivals/ departures route via OCK often at 1500ft (1400ft if there's class A airspace round Farnborough); hopefully they're aware of the helipad just outside the airfield boundary too.
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SoCal App,
Class A controlled airspace (London TCA) begins at 2400 feet above this area. The cloudbase in UK at this time of year is often well below 2200 feet.
This 2nm avoid effectively "plugs" a funnel feature in a busy transit route for VFR only traffic routing south of the Heathrow Control Zone. Fairoaks ATZ is emebedded in that same conrol zone immediately adjacent to this area. So yes, it can be a problem to avoid it either by altitude or laterally.
At another location it would be far less of an issue. It's a bad place to go filming if they don't want disturbance by aircraft.
Class A controlled airspace (London TCA) begins at 2400 feet above this area. The cloudbase in UK at this time of year is often well below 2200 feet.
This 2nm avoid effectively "plugs" a funnel feature in a busy transit route for VFR only traffic routing south of the Heathrow Control Zone. Fairoaks ATZ is emebedded in that same conrol zone immediately adjacent to this area. So yes, it can be a problem to avoid it either by altitude or laterally.
At another location it would be far less of an issue. It's a bad place to go filming if they don't want disturbance by aircraft.
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It's a bad place to go filming if they don't want disturbance by aircraft.
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Well, while we're on the subject of NOTAMs due filming, if anyone is planning on visiting White Waltham on Friday 8th October I gather that the place will be NOTAM'd closed to visiting traffic owing to a film shoot - apparently, the clubhouse is going to be transformed into Heathrow circa 1956.
I can see it now though. The Director screaming "CUT!!!!! - sorry Kenneth, darling.....no.....no your lines were perfect....but we're doing 1950's England, not sodding Star Wars - but will somebody get that bloody great Wookie out of the background...please...."
I can see it now though. The Director screaming "CUT!!!!! - sorry Kenneth, darling.....no.....no your lines were perfect....but we're doing 1950's England, not sodding Star Wars - but will somebody get that bloody great Wookie out of the background...please...."