Operating a Jet Provost
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Operating a Jet Provost
I co-own and operate a JP3, a JP5 and a Vampire T11. I have recently registered with pprune and have noticed a few postings regarding the operation of ex-military jets. Should ppl's be allowed to get their grubby little mitts on them? Should they be trusted with live seats? How much do they cost to operate? How much fun are they to fly? can I have a go in one? etc.
I'd be happy to pass on the benefits of my experience to anyone looking to put the fun back into their flying (is flying still allowed to be fun? I'll check my ANO!). Email me direct if you don't want to share your thoughts with the World.
I'd be happy to pass on the benefits of my experience to anyone looking to put the fun back into their flying (is flying still allowed to be fun? I'll check my ANO!). Email me direct if you don't want to share your thoughts with the World.
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Jetjock, many thanks for the flight at the weekend....WoW !!!!
I never thought there was so much to operating an ex-military jet. The aeros were fantastic. The JP is nothing like people say - fixed speed variable noise, pah - I found it very rewarding to fly but at the same time simple and uncomplicated.
Your briefings were excellent and I understand your reasons for thorough safety briefs. The side-byside seating is perfect for the training environment.
I am now considering a formal jet conversion course and will be in touch in the next week or so. Can you send me course details?
I will EMail you.
BOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMM!
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Whizz, Bang, PoP!
I never thought there was so much to operating an ex-military jet. The aeros were fantastic. The JP is nothing like people say - fixed speed variable noise, pah - I found it very rewarding to fly but at the same time simple and uncomplicated.
Your briefings were excellent and I understand your reasons for thorough safety briefs. The side-byside seating is perfect for the training environment.
I am now considering a formal jet conversion course and will be in touch in the next week or so. Can you send me course details?
I will EMail you.
BOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMM!
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Whizz, Bang, PoP!
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I had a trip in a Vampire in about 1961 and thought it wonderful. It`s one of the aircraft on my "when I win the lottery " list. It all seemed so effortless, just smooth,quiet progress in any direction it was pointed. Enjoy them for me.
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There is a good article in 'Pilot' this month about operating a JP. Looks fun but expensive, and that shallow climb-out with no 0/0 bang setas seems a big dodgy (too low to bail out, too fast to put it into a field).
Also, an interesting thread on PPruNe following last weekend's JP crash about horrid spin characteristics. But I'd have a go!!
SSD
Also, an interesting thread on PPruNe following last weekend's JP crash about horrid spin characteristics. But I'd have a go!!
SSD
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Shaggy Sheep Driver continues the old myth about nasty spin characteristics on JP's. I have spun 3's and 4's on several occasions and found that they all recover quite happily if the correct technique is used. The thing to remember is that they do tend to wind up really fast and will easily lose 5,000 feet in the process, so it is not something to be trying under 20,000 feet or so. It is also something that should not be happening unintentionally, with incipient spin recovery being effected by closing the throttle, centralising the controls and waiting for the aircraft to assume a happier flying attitude and airspeed.
The bang seats, if live, will work from ground level as long as there is 90kt forward speed - at least it's an option that most light a/c don't have!
The climb-out may be flat by modern jet standards with full tips, but it'll happily make 2000fpm at 160kt on mains. Not too shabby for a 40 year old trainer.
The bang seats, if live, will work from ground level as long as there is 90kt forward speed - at least it's an option that most light a/c don't have!
The climb-out may be flat by modern jet standards with full tips, but it'll happily make 2000fpm at 160kt on mains. Not too shabby for a 40 year old trainer.
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I've no JP experience, but my spin comments are from PPRuNe (re the lost JP last weekend), from guys with RAF experience. Follow that thread - spin characteristics depend on type of JP they say, and some are nasty according to these guys who seem to know what bthey are talking about.
Also, putting a JP into a field is not the same as most GA types. Speed will be higher, the crew have almost no crash protection with no engine in front and very short nose.
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I've no JP experience, but my spin comments are from PPRuNe (re the lost JP last weekend), from guys with RAF experience. Follow that thread - spin characteristics depend on type of JP they say, and some are nasty according to these guys who seem to know what bthey are talking about.
Also, putting a JP into a field is not the same as most GA types. Speed will be higher, the crew have almost no crash protection with no engine in front and very short nose.
SSD
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Shaggy,
Hmmm you need to go and look at a JP before deciding what you would like to crash in! Give me a good strong airframe 65-70knt stall speed and a 5 point harness bolted to an ejector seat (live or not) rather than a tin can cessna anytime (and yes I fly and love those as well!)
As for spinning, the aircraft lost at the weekend was a Strikemaster... very important difference. The JP MK 3/4/5 were all designed as trainers and incorporated 5 additional aerodynamic mods to make sure that they spun in a stable and benign way. All aeroplanes will bite fools but the JP less so than most.
Hmmm you need to go and look at a JP before deciding what you would like to crash in! Give me a good strong airframe 65-70knt stall speed and a 5 point harness bolted to an ejector seat (live or not) rather than a tin can cessna anytime (and yes I fly and love those as well!)
As for spinning, the aircraft lost at the weekend was a Strikemaster... very important difference. The JP MK 3/4/5 were all designed as trainers and incorporated 5 additional aerodynamic mods to make sure that they spun in a stable and benign way. All aeroplanes will bite fools but the JP less so than most.
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Thanks, Bisley. I don't want to drag this one out any more than is necessary and certainly don't presume to comment on an unfortunate accident that has yet to be fully investigated. I stand by my comments (which are based on experience and not hearsay).You pays your money and you takes your choice!
