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Old 20th August 2000 | 01:42
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saw an article on this kit aircraft (£35k) on bbc2, any one know any contact details for the firm?
 
Old 20th August 2000 | 13:50
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Try this link
http://www.europaaircraft.com/

now as payment for this information I require a flight in this aircraft in 8 months time when you have finished building it.


 
Old 20th August 2000 | 14:47
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Old 20th August 2000 | 20:59
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Not convinced regarding Europas... how do you land safely in a cross wind on just one central wheel?
One looped off the runway at Gamston last month.
Would £35K be better spent on a good Cherokee with low time engine and avionics fit... fully capable as opposed to PFA restrictions ?
 
Old 23rd August 2000 | 00:33
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Beagler,

You have no soul........
 
Old 25th August 2000 | 15:06
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I thought they had fixed the tendency to bounce which caused the groundloops?

Beagler just think of a 140 mph cruise on 3 gph, good handling, good short field performance, do your own maintenance, no corrosion problems. Who wants to fly in cloud if you are doing it for fun? If you need that capability you can always rent for the trip althogh you would probably be disappointed at the performance available....

OK you are up to your armpits in fibreglass
and toxic resins for a while but some people like that (yuk).

NewBloke, 8 months? A tad optimistic me thinks.....

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Old 26th August 2000 | 00:50
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no soul ehh?...
I suppose it is all about what you want from your flying.
In a crosswind I crab in then at hold off, straighten up, then drop the up wind wheel onto the tarmac correcting with opposite rudder in a "forward slip".
Can't see how you're going to do that with one central wheel.
Even Harriers have to land into wind!
 
Old 26th August 2000 | 01:18
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I didn't mean no soul in relation to the astheatics of a great xwind landing, just the looks of the monowheel are so sexy, as Griff says on the Vauxhall advert "blow me..."

Does Beagler refer to a Pup, I'm an ex pup driver myself, one of the best little planes around.
 
Old 26th August 2000 | 12:56
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Not sure about my "aesthetics" {-:
I described what I attempt to do... sometimes get it 90% right!

For the rest of the time I am glad to be driving a Pup... built like a Brick S... house and demonstrated 25kt X wind component.

Just wondering what would happen if you got it less than perfect on only one wheel.

Joined a flying group with a Pup 150 last year after the usual Cessnas and Pipers... one demonstration flight and I had to join... a "little fighter"... but watch the speed on landing, they do rather suddenly cease to be a flying machine... keep a good rumble coming from the engine!

Ours is GAXNS... low time engine and just resprayed in its original blue white and gold scheme and I am busily flying the **** off it!

 
Old 26th August 2000 | 14:47
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Do the rest of your Pup 150 group know of your unorthodox cross-wind landing technique? I guess the insurance company soon will.
 
Old 28th August 2000 | 00:27
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Okay... here we go again...
What is unorthodox about crabbing in along the extended centre line and then straightening up and keeping the aircraft over the centre line with wing down using rudder to keep on line?
You said elsewhere that you instruct on 4 engines... I have watched these guys whilst at the hold and they do the same... crab then wing down.
What is your cast in stone rule then?
 
Old 28th August 2000 | 01:37
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Use the 'crab' technique up to and during the flare. Yaw the aircraft to align it with the runway just prior to touchdown and maintain wings level throughout.
Into wind 'Wing down' at the flare in a swept wing aircraft is usually due to incorrect anticipation of swept wing roll with yaw rather than a deliberate action! Most problems stem from flying at excessive speed in a cross-wind and then trying to control the resulting excessively prolonged flare.
However, the 'wing down' method of landing on one wheel does work for some - I just have grave doubts about suddenly changing from one method to the other during the flare, if indeed that is what you actually meant!
 
Old 28th August 2000 | 11:29
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Yes I crab into the wind on approach then straighten up with rudder just before touch down.
But in severe conditions there is a danger of drifting off the centre line at that moment so slightly dropping a wing into wind keeps me in line and I counter any turn deveoping by the wing down squeezing in some rudder (crossed controls).
When done correctly the rudder action is a smooth operation from straightening up to following through to counter the wing drop.
I don't think we are far apart on this one...(-:
I do put more speed on in severe conditions and use less flap.
How does everyone decide how much flap to use?
 

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