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I think that you will find that there is no "going rate" for hiring a Yak 50. I do not know of any for hire in the UK. The only way you could get to fly one short of buying one outright or as a share, is to do a private deal with an owner. That will require luck, experience on 52's and / or a relevant taildragger, and a good relationship with the owner.
In short, the figure I quoted to buy is a defacto hourly rate (albeit you get to then do as many hours as you like - ie, you will probably have to buy one to fly one!).
In short, the figure I quoted to buy is a defacto hourly rate (albeit you get to then do as many hours as you like - ie, you will probably have to buy one to fly one!).
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First off, Ms Grace did not do her PPL on the Spitfire. She already had a PPL and was flying a Stampe - husband Nick Grace was killed in a car crash and Caroline decided to keep the 'Grace Spitfire' flying. She trained with Peter Kynsey, soloed it, and has been flying it ever since. There's a super video available (Perfect Lady) that covers Nick's ground-up rebuild of the Spit, and Caroline's conversion to type. Recommended!
Now Yaks. I'd love to fly a Yak 50. I've got loads of Chippy time and a fair bit of Yak 52 time, but like someone said, where do you get time in a '50? There are none I know of around here (Cheshire / midlands / north west). The 50 was Mark hanna's favorite aeroplane, and there was a guy who'd tried a few so knew what he was talking about.
I love the '52. It has a feeling of solidity, great 'presence', and is more like a warbird than a GA aircraft. It may guzzle fuel, but that Vendeneyev makes such a glorious sound - and so well engineered. A Pitts or Cap 10 just seem so weedy in comparison.
Me? Biased? Never!!
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Now Yaks. I'd love to fly a Yak 50. I've got loads of Chippy time and a fair bit of Yak 52 time, but like someone said, where do you get time in a '50? There are none I know of around here (Cheshire / midlands / north west). The 50 was Mark hanna's favorite aeroplane, and there was a guy who'd tried a few so knew what he was talking about.
I love the '52. It has a feeling of solidity, great 'presence', and is more like a warbird than a GA aircraft. It may guzzle fuel, but that Vendeneyev makes such a glorious sound - and so well engineered. A Pitts or Cap 10 just seem so weedy in comparison.
Me? Biased? Never!!
SSD
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Southern,
Yet again a great help, that was indeed what I was afraid of.
Shaggy,
I have to give it you ya, I agree. I wouldn't say a Pitts is weedy, I wold adore to fly one aswell, but where else are you gonna get kick ass warbid radial fun for £180 an hour?
I mean a Pitts is probably around the £200 mark per hour (stik?) and an Extra, well I wouldn't want to comment. As Southern says, I reckon the only way I will get to fly a Yak 50 is to get a share, after having done the whole safety course at Skytrace, and spent lots of time in the chippie.
So me finks a good ole Chipmunk is on the cards next for a tailwheel conversion. Anyone know where there is a nice one, and what the cost is hourly?
Again thanks to all.
Rusty
Yet again a great help, that was indeed what I was afraid of.
Shaggy,
I have to give it you ya, I agree. I wouldn't say a Pitts is weedy, I wold adore to fly one aswell, but where else are you gonna get kick ass warbid radial fun for £180 an hour?
I mean a Pitts is probably around the £200 mark per hour (stik?) and an Extra, well I wouldn't want to comment. As Southern says, I reckon the only way I will get to fly a Yak 50 is to get a share, after having done the whole safety course at Skytrace, and spent lots of time in the chippie.
So me finks a good ole Chipmunk is on the cards next for a tailwheel conversion. Anyone know where there is a nice one, and what the cost is hourly?
Again thanks to all.
Rusty
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C152 Aerobat!!!!! ARRRRRGHHHHHHHH!!!!! NO! you cant do aerobatics in that! its just not right!!! It doesnt even have a stick! I heard the roll rate was pretty poor too.
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AOPA Aeros
Ref Aeros & AOPA.
Don't dick about - waste of time and money and its dangerous! - Get some professional training by people who've been there and done that.
If you havent gleaned enough from the previous posts, try Ultimate High at Kemble who will do the course on Extra 300 or Bulldog.
Plenty of satisfied cutomers - www.ultimatehigh.co.uk
good luck
Don't dick about - waste of time and money and its dangerous! - Get some professional training by people who've been there and done that.
If you havent gleaned enough from the previous posts, try Ultimate High at Kemble who will do the course on Extra 300 or Bulldog.
Plenty of satisfied cutomers - www.ultimatehigh.co.uk
good luck
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Andy Cubin as a great fan of UH (just ask Mark) why do you then advertise the AOPA course?
Or is it just anything except Bulldogs and Extras that are dangerous?
Just trying to keep the discussion fair and balanced
Or is it just anything except Bulldogs and Extras that are dangerous?
Just trying to keep the discussion fair and balanced
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Good point and I see where you are coming from.
I never intended to berate the AOPA course in any way.
When MG and I started to set up Ultimate High and the way we intended to go with it, I was astonished to find that there was no officially recognised training structure or qualification needed to loop or roll down to 30 feet, or any other height for that matter.
Guidance is vague from the Authority, but as far as I can make out, provided you remain clear of any vehicle, vessel or structure, you, me and anyone else can aerobat to within a gnat's cock of the ground perfectly legally and without any formal training.
Clearly this is a crap idea and I presume AOPA have sought to introduce some common sense by offering an aerobatics course - great concept. It is not, however, a mandatory requirement and should you choose to ignore it, it is perfectly within your entitlement as a tax paying citizen to do so.
I have. I have never done the AOPA aerobatics course, although I am a certified AOPA instructor. Lucky me - I was given a sound education in aerobatics in the RAF and with collegues advice and help and a ****load of practice got myself to where I am now.
In reality, a flying training organisation can introduce an aerobatics course, name it "Laurel and Hardy" if you like, take your money and send you away - in which case I am probably talking to a dead man.
Ultimate High use Bulldogs and Extras. You can do the AOPA course in anything that is certified and, by and large, I would agree with that. Yaks, Citabrias, Chipmunks (ah!),Slingsby's and Bulldogs are all superb platforms to learn the trade although personally I would discount the Aerobat - my view only.
The point is: get yourself some proper training by an adept aerobatic pilot instructor in a proper aerobatic aeroplane. There are plenty of facilities around, but obviously I have to blow Ultimate High's trumpet because I genuinely believe it's the best facility in the country and I am the chief pilot of this organisation.
I hope this opens the door for some debate, because safety is improved as a result of discussion - lets haggle, but in the meantime let me leave you with this thought:
I have been flying low level aerobatics at airshows for 12 years. There has not been one single year since then, where I have not either personally witnessed an accident or toasted the life of a brother display pilot who has not made it.
Flying should always be fun and challenging but it is merciless and unforgiving - something that always lies in the back of my mind.
Stay safe everyone
AC
I never intended to berate the AOPA course in any way.
When MG and I started to set up Ultimate High and the way we intended to go with it, I was astonished to find that there was no officially recognised training structure or qualification needed to loop or roll down to 30 feet, or any other height for that matter.
Guidance is vague from the Authority, but as far as I can make out, provided you remain clear of any vehicle, vessel or structure, you, me and anyone else can aerobat to within a gnat's cock of the ground perfectly legally and without any formal training.
Clearly this is a crap idea and I presume AOPA have sought to introduce some common sense by offering an aerobatics course - great concept. It is not, however, a mandatory requirement and should you choose to ignore it, it is perfectly within your entitlement as a tax paying citizen to do so.
I have. I have never done the AOPA aerobatics course, although I am a certified AOPA instructor. Lucky me - I was given a sound education in aerobatics in the RAF and with collegues advice and help and a ****load of practice got myself to where I am now.
In reality, a flying training organisation can introduce an aerobatics course, name it "Laurel and Hardy" if you like, take your money and send you away - in which case I am probably talking to a dead man.
Ultimate High use Bulldogs and Extras. You can do the AOPA course in anything that is certified and, by and large, I would agree with that. Yaks, Citabrias, Chipmunks (ah!),Slingsby's and Bulldogs are all superb platforms to learn the trade although personally I would discount the Aerobat - my view only.
The point is: get yourself some proper training by an adept aerobatic pilot instructor in a proper aerobatic aeroplane. There are plenty of facilities around, but obviously I have to blow Ultimate High's trumpet because I genuinely believe it's the best facility in the country and I am the chief pilot of this organisation.
I hope this opens the door for some debate, because safety is improved as a result of discussion - lets haggle, but in the meantime let me leave you with this thought:
I have been flying low level aerobatics at airshows for 12 years. There has not been one single year since then, where I have not either personally witnessed an accident or toasted the life of a brother display pilot who has not made it.
Flying should always be fun and challenging but it is merciless and unforgiving - something that always lies in the back of my mind.
Stay safe everyone
AC
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provided you remain clear of any vehicle, vessel or structure, you, me and anyone else can aerobat to within a gnat's cock of the ground perfectly legally and without any formal training. Clearly this is a crap idea
Flying should always be fun and challenging but it is merciless and unforgiving - something that always lies in the back of my mind.
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get yourself some proper training by an adept aerobatic pilot instructor in a proper aerobatic aeroplane. There are plenty of facilities around, but obviously I have to blow Ultimate High's trumpet because I genuinely believe it's the best facility in the country and I am the chief pilot of this organisation.
It does seem the aerobat does get a beating from those who are lucky enough to fly something better (and I don't deny there is far better out there!!).
I can only reiterate your point and agree it would be foolhardy to attempt aero's without some good basic training.
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I did the AOPA course about 900hrs ago and while I enjoyed have not really found a use or the personal apptitude for it since.
I had a great day with UH tail chasing despite feeling ill for about 2 days afterwards! If I was going to fly aeros then I would certainly want to training with them regardless of what the course was called.
Shining egos and all they are very talented pilots with thorough briefings and professional treatment of customers (just need better time keeping!!!) and present superb value.
I like to convince myself that Cubes did not let my non aviating "victim" get "guns" on him and it was down to my talent!!!
My vote everytime if you want 1st class training is the UH boys and girls.
I had a great day with UH tail chasing despite feeling ill for about 2 days afterwards! If I was going to fly aeros then I would certainly want to training with them regardless of what the course was called.
Shining egos and all they are very talented pilots with thorough briefings and professional treatment of customers (just need better time keeping!!!) and present superb value.
I like to convince myself that Cubes did not let my non aviating "victim" get "guns" on him and it was down to my talent!!!
My vote everytime if you want 1st class training is the UH boys and girls.
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Cloud69 - Sorry to hear about your excellent aeroplane. I was at the hangar party at Goodwood today just after the 60kt squall blew through, trees all over the road. I know that Goodwood Flying School were very grateful to the guys at Bournemouth for calling up and warning them - thanks chaps, all aircraft got tied down just in time.
Bose-x - Thanks for kind comments, you can come again!
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Bose-x - Thanks for kind comments, you can come again!
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