Logging flight time in International Airspace
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Logging flight time in International Airspace
I am after information in regards to the requirements to legally log flight time as PIC on long overwater flights in international airspace.
I have had the pleasure to accompany a friend on an over water ferry flight some time ago which took us over the entire Pacific ocean and I now have the opportunity to do so again.
If the flight is classified as a Private operation, what requirements need to be fulfilled in order to log the flight time? What laws do I need to abide by? Can VFR flight plans be submitted for long over water flights? What is the airspace structure over oceanic airspace?
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I have had the pleasure to accompany a friend on an over water ferry flight some time ago which took us over the entire Pacific ocean and I now have the opportunity to do so again.
If the flight is classified as a Private operation, what requirements need to be fulfilled in order to log the flight time? What laws do I need to abide by? Can VFR flight plans be submitted for long over water flights? What is the airspace structure over oceanic airspace?
Thanks!
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have no experience with that other than flying in/on two different continents, but as far as I understood: if the plane is registered in a state that is a member or ICAO and the plane is of a category/type you are allowed to fly (type-rating and licence) you should be able to log your time as P1/P2 in your main log-book.
Actually, this brings to another question: I wonder if you can log time as a P2 on the same type but N-registered plane but have no FAA licence? I do not think so but am not sure.
Actually, this brings to another question: I wonder if you can log time as a P2 on the same type but N-registered plane but have no FAA licence? I do not think so but am not sure.
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If the aircraft is single pilot then only the Pilot in command acting within the privileges conferred by his licence can log the time and count it. If it's multipilot you can log whatever your role is provided you have a licence for that role in that aeroplane.
However it's your log book so there's nothing to stop you recording the trips in whatever capacity with the time under some heading like "other" if you aren't official operating crew.
However it's your log book so there's nothing to stop you recording the trips in whatever capacity with the time under some heading like "other" if you aren't official operating crew.
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Even in single-pilot aircraft, some types of operations may potentially require a co-pilot or a cruise relief co-pilot, in which case one can log that time as P2 (per JAR-FCL 1.080(c)(2)-(3)). However, since JAR-OPS 2 (EU-OPS 2) does not exist yet, there seems to be no European regulation as to the scope of such operations in GA, and it's really up to the national CAA to decide.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
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Also under FAA (N-reg) there are different rules.
Not enough detail provided.
Anybody can log a flight as a "passenger" but it won't count towards any paperwork in the future.
Not enough detail provided.
Anybody can log a flight as a "passenger" but it won't count towards any paperwork in the future.
The logging of flight time is usually related to the revalidation of licences and ratings and will depend on the rules of the State who issued the licence.
Where you are flyinng or whether its commercial or private doesn't make the slightest difference. If you are PIC you log it as such again read the rules of the State of licence issue.
A private flight is usually one where no payment or benefits in kind were made for the purpose of the flight. Payment of a pilot may be a seperate issue.
What was your operating capacity? It sounds like passenger. You cannot normally be P2 unless the aircraft is certified for two pilots and you are appropriately qualified i.e. you hold a typre rating for the aircraft in which case I doubt you would be asking such questions.
Regarding Flight Plans, you need to complyy with the rules of the State whose airspace you are flying in. In crossing the Pacific you can do what you want until you coast in, then you will be over someones teretory and their rules will apply.
I suggest the best you can do is log it as Supernumary or Passenger, it will look impressive but count for nothing.
Where you are flyinng or whether its commercial or private doesn't make the slightest difference. If you are PIC you log it as such again read the rules of the State of licence issue.
If the flight is classified as a Private operation,
What was your operating capacity? It sounds like passenger. You cannot normally be P2 unless the aircraft is certified for two pilots and you are appropriately qualified i.e. you hold a typre rating for the aircraft in which case I doubt you would be asking such questions.
Regarding Flight Plans, you need to complyy with the rules of the State whose airspace you are flying in. In crossing the Pacific you can do what you want until you coast in, then you will be over someones teretory and their rules will apply.
I suggest the best you can do is log it as Supernumary or Passenger, it will look impressive but count for nothing.
Can VFR flight plans be submitted for long over water flights?
Answer : Yes.
You might nevertheless be required to hold an instrument rating. But can you maintain VMC while oceanic ? This can be tricky.
Answer : Yes.
You might nevertheless be required to hold an instrument rating. But can you maintain VMC while oceanic ? This can be tricky.
