Airports in Sardinia?
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Airports in Sardinia?
I need one with IFR, avgas, customs...
Most (and there aren't that many) are not replying to emails/fax/AFTN messages.
I have been warned off Cagliari as taking half a day for fuel, though they have responded, giving a phone # for the fuel company.
Any recent experiences?
I know for sure Algero has no avgas, Oristano no avgas or customs.
Most (and there aren't that many) are not replying to emails/fax/AFTN messages.
I have been warned off Cagliari as taking half a day for fuel, though they have responded, giving a phone # for the fuel company.
Any recent experiences?
I know for sure Algero has no avgas, Oristano no avgas or customs.
Had you seen the below site?
Generally, my experience is that in Italy, like in several countries, your chances of getting a reply are much better if you write in their own language.
www.campidivolo.it: il portale dei campi di volo italiani
Generally, my experience is that in Italy, like in several countries, your chances of getting a reply are much better if you write in their own language.
www.campidivolo.it: il portale dei campi di volo italiani
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Waiting time for refuelling in CAG highly depends on the traffic situation.
If you try to fuel during the peak days (FR/SAT/SUN), you might indeed wait for some time. Generally you can get all you need in CAG, people are really helpful (it´s Sardegna! I know, I´m based here).
My favorite from the small airfields on the island is Tortoli / Arbatax.
Spectacular landscape, RWY threshold directly on the waterfront, tiny little airport with a very limited amount of commercial (charter) traffic.
Worth a view, try cancelling IFR around Olbia and fly VFR along the coastline - you will remember!
IFR is possible there (cloudbreak procedure with the local beacon). Don´t know about customs and avgas.
If you try to fuel during the peak days (FR/SAT/SUN), you might indeed wait for some time. Generally you can get all you need in CAG, people are really helpful (it´s Sardegna! I know, I´m based here).
My favorite from the small airfields on the island is Tortoli / Arbatax.
Spectacular landscape, RWY threshold directly on the waterfront, tiny little airport with a very limited amount of commercial (charter) traffic.
Worth a view, try cancelling IFR around Olbia and fly VFR along the coastline - you will remember!
IFR is possible there (cloudbreak procedure with the local beacon). Don´t know about customs and avgas.
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Many thanks FA10 - we have decided Cagliari is the one to go for, since we will have loads of time post-landing to sort out the fuel 
Apparently it is a 2-3hr drive to LIER... would you concur?
Apparently it is a 2-3hr drive to LIER... would you concur?
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Just looking at the website for Alghero LIEA there is a contact number for avgas:
AV GAS - General Aviation
(+39) 333 9432834
(+39) 349 1099309
You can tell it's been a busy day, looking at the fees page you can be announced on the flight information display board for €1. ;-)
Reminds me of Shoreham.
AV GAS - General Aviation
(+39) 333 9432834
(+39) 349 1099309
You can tell it's been a busy day, looking at the fees page you can be announced on the flight information display board for €1. ;-)
Reminds me of Shoreham.
Visited Alghero about 4 years ago in June; it was quiet, a few light aircraft (piston) parked plus 'military' helicopters. No scheduled traffic in those days (may be different now) just IT charters.
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IO540, drive from Elmas to Fenosu is not more than one hour on a motorway - like road.
Don´t know about Avgas in Oristano, however it would make me wonder, if they don´t have it at all - as most of the local aircraft will certainly need it! However, as usually in Italy, the fuel is owned and distributed by the local flying clubs, for use in their machines. There might be limitations in giving that fuel away.
BTW - there is also some scheduled traffic into Oristano:
A couple of months ago Denim Air from Holland started scheduled services with Fokker 50s to FCO and - I think - Pisa. Heard them often on the frequency, don´t know the current situation.
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Don´t know about Avgas in Oristano, however it would make me wonder, if they don´t have it at all - as most of the local aircraft will certainly need it! However, as usually in Italy, the fuel is owned and distributed by the local flying clubs, for use in their machines. There might be limitations in giving that fuel away.
BTW - there is also some scheduled traffic into Oristano:
A couple of months ago Denim Air from Holland started scheduled services with Fokker 50s to FCO and - I think - Pisa. Heard them often on the frequency, don´t know the current situation.
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Many thanks LT; I may well go for that. Currently I have had no reply only from Tortoli LIET, and the Oristano situation is from a local so should be accurate.
LIEA and LIEO are no good (no avgas), LIED shows as military and only Jet A1.
So I will go for Cagliari, with Figaro or Bastia (Corsica) as alternates, since (currently) no other airport in Sardinia seems to have avgas. Having flown direct from the UK I will have enough fuel for only ~400nm after Cagliari so can't mess around too much.
Yeah, don't I know it, having got shafted over on that at Treviso 
The "aeroclub-only avgas" is a situation not unknown in Greece, too, but at least they don't advertise they have it.
Oristano airport notam:
TESTO ITALIANO: AVGAS 100LL NON DISPONIBILE ENGLISH TEXT: AVGAS 100LL NOT AVAILABLE REF AIP ITALIA AD2 LIER 1-1
LIEA and LIEO are no good (no avgas), LIED shows as military and only Jet A1.
So I will go for Cagliari, with Figaro or Bastia (Corsica) as alternates, since (currently) no other airport in Sardinia seems to have avgas. Having flown direct from the UK I will have enough fuel for only ~400nm after Cagliari so can't mess around too much.
However, as usually in Italy, the fuel is owned and distributed by the local flying clubs, for use in their machines. There might be limitations in giving that fuel away.
The "aeroclub-only avgas" is a situation not unknown in Greece, too, but at least they don't advertise they have it.Oristano airport notam:
TESTO ITALIANO: AVGAS 100LL NON DISPONIBILE ENGLISH TEXT: AVGAS 100LL NOT AVAILABLE REF AIP ITALIA AD2 LIER 1-1
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Don´t try LIED (Decimomannu AFB) - they´ll give you a hard time, if you show up there!
Rumour is, that a commuter aircraft on a visual app into CAG messed up the two airports, that are in close proximity (CAG is directly at the water, Deci about 8nm north). Since that day visual approaches into CAG are strictly prohibited...
Rumour is, that a commuter aircraft on a visual app into CAG messed up the two airports, that are in close proximity (CAG is directly at the water, Deci about 8nm north). Since that day visual approaches into CAG are strictly prohibited...
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One Q I have is whether there is any other avgas airport in Sardinia, apart from Cagliari?
BTW, Cagliari has a PPR system like Turkey; they give you a permission number which you put in Box 18 of the flight plan. 24hr PPR.
BTW, Cagliari has a PPR system like Turkey; they give you a permission number which you put in Box 18 of the flight plan. 24hr PPR.
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Since that day visual approaches into CAG are strictly prohibited...
The aircraft was a bizjet making a visual approach into CAG at night. I believe 6 were killed.
Sorry, off topic
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Not really off topic given how much effort it took me to establish the avgas situation...
A lot of people have told me to fly (and refuel) via Figari. The issues with that appear to be:
1) Inbound: a delay at Figari could push the arrival at Oristano past its closing time (which I have not yet managed to establish, due to the airport not replying to emails, faxes or AFTN messages, but it no longer matters).
2) Inbound: Oristano is VFR-only and sub-VFR weather would result in a diversion to a non-avgas airport - except Cagliari which is pretty well strictly PPR, though I am sure would accept a mayday arrival, and a non-issue of a landing clearance by the filed alternate is a legitimate mayday And a diversion to a non-avgas airport would possibly result in a flight to Cagliari anyway the following day, without the "benefit" of an emergency situation and thus exposing one to the full PPR requirement, which is a helluva lot easier to sort out when still at home on ADSL
3) Outbound: hard pushed to make the UK before closing time, if refuelling at Figari.
4) Any refuel/turnaround delay at Figari would result in a hotel for 3 which would wipe out the fuel cost savings.
Time to get myself a turboprop
A lot of people have told me to fly (and refuel) via Figari. The issues with that appear to be:
1) Inbound: a delay at Figari could push the arrival at Oristano past its closing time (which I have not yet managed to establish, due to the airport not replying to emails, faxes or AFTN messages, but it no longer matters).
2) Inbound: Oristano is VFR-only and sub-VFR weather would result in a diversion to a non-avgas airport - except Cagliari which is pretty well strictly PPR, though I am sure would accept a mayday arrival, and a non-issue of a landing clearance by the filed alternate is a legitimate mayday
And a diversion to a non-avgas airport would possibly result in a flight to Cagliari anyway the following day, without the "benefit" of an emergency situation and thus exposing one to the full PPR requirement, which is a helluva lot easier to sort out when still at home on ADSL 3) Outbound: hard pushed to make the UK before closing time, if refuelling at Figari.
4) Any refuel/turnaround delay at Figari would result in a hotel for 3 which would wipe out the fuel cost savings.
Time to get myself a turboprop
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Excuse the thread creep but I got to tell you a story about Deci. I was there in the 70's on Harriers and the IAF had F104's at the time. The Italian conscripts who did the guarding etc were very badly paid (we used to buy beer for them it was that bad) and totally uninterested.
So one night, our conscript is guarding a row of 104's out on the pan. He gets a little bored and has a swing on the pitot probe on the nearest jet. He then realises he's bent it. So panic ensuing he then bent the pitot probes of the other 11 jets to match the one he had already bent and hoped no one would notice...
So one night, our conscript is guarding a row of 104's out on the pan. He gets a little bored and has a swing on the pitot probe on the nearest jet. He then realises he's bent it. So panic ensuing he then bent the pitot probes of the other 11 jets to match the one he had already bent and hoped no one would notice...