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I think emotions are running quite high here and that is why it is getting a bit personal. As Private flyers we do have to address the issue of noise and I believe we do already go a long way to addressing it. Circuits have been moved from the traditional square shape to more “neighbour friendly” shape. Take off at Elstree for instance and you turn left about 20 degrees before you are over the far hedge. I think we should all do our bit and make sure we have the correct approach plates and possibly phone the remote airfield for a noise briefing before we set off.
I live close to a gliding site (if it weren’t for comments made to me by someone in the Billy Pickles thread, I would just say where I lived) and personally I hate the sound of strimmers and lawnmowers far far more than Aircraft noise. My neighbours seem to relish in lighting bonfires whenever the sun is shining. I hear more burglar alarms go off each summer as residents go away (and some of them seem to go on all bloody night) and yet, in talking to one of my neighbours recently, he stopped as a glider sailed overhead and said “noisy buggers when they come into land aren’t they” I kid you not. Now for those that don’t know, gliders make a swishy whistling noise and I suspect it gets swishier as they put out the airbrake, but steady on!!! My point here being that some people will NEVER EVER accept us. This wasn’t a jealousy thing, this guy could buy the Airfield if he wanted, but whatever lengths we go to we will NEVER appease some people.
With that in mind, let us do what we can, let’s try to avoid that village on 2 mile final, let’s stick to the published circuit, and then say “Sod You” to the clowns like my neighbour who will never be satisfied.
I live close to a gliding site (if it weren’t for comments made to me by someone in the Billy Pickles thread, I would just say where I lived) and personally I hate the sound of strimmers and lawnmowers far far more than Aircraft noise. My neighbours seem to relish in lighting bonfires whenever the sun is shining. I hear more burglar alarms go off each summer as residents go away (and some of them seem to go on all bloody night) and yet, in talking to one of my neighbours recently, he stopped as a glider sailed overhead and said “noisy buggers when they come into land aren’t they” I kid you not. Now for those that don’t know, gliders make a swishy whistling noise and I suspect it gets swishier as they put out the airbrake, but steady on!!! My point here being that some people will NEVER EVER accept us. This wasn’t a jealousy thing, this guy could buy the Airfield if he wanted, but whatever lengths we go to we will NEVER appease some people.
With that in mind, let us do what we can, let’s try to avoid that village on 2 mile final, let’s stick to the published circuit, and then say “Sod You” to the clowns like my neighbour who will never be satisfied.
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Nishko
“You are clearly a remarkable intellect”
Thanks for the compliment love you too.
“It has obviously passed you by, but GA pilots already do pay huge amounts for their flying already, far more than they probably need to thanks to ever more restrictive legislation and unfair pricing. Do you really think that placing them under yet more financial obligation is a fair way to take this problem forward?”
I run my own a/c and I know just as you do (or even better) what are the costs involved. I was looking to fit a new silencer on the a/c (in order to reduce noise) at a purchase price of ~ £3500. The reply from the manufacturer was that it will not fit my a/c and that there are not enough left of it to make it commercially viable.
Being a ‘remarkable intellect’ I’m going to upset you even more. I do agree with some of the JAA regulations, i.e minimum number of hours, a yearly test for multi and I do agree with the CAA stand for a bi-annual. I personally try to get about 10h of training a year (I have a wonderful wife that I love dearly and will miss her terribly if I die), do you want me to tell you how much this cost? I hope to get 5h training during the next month.
“I suspect that these people simply object to anyone being 'up there' and so can't help but want to bring them down”
You are wrong again. These people can not tolerate that you me or anyone else does something that is not acceptable by their standards.
Yes, there always be people that will complain regardless of our preventive actions. Elstree has 4 (yes, FOUR) circuits patterns, do you think that these people stop from complaining? You can not win them all but you can try to disarm them. If it costs another £1500 per a/c than so be it! As a privet owner I have to pay the lot, if you rent you will pay another small number of £ if at all.
Now a question for you. What have you done in order to voice you concerns about the future of G.A (other than posting on Pprune)? Did you join Action For Airfields? Have you sent some letters? Did you speak with your parliamentary candidates/M.P about the subject? It is election time, they are very busy but they will speak with you, try it, it works, I did it.
AC-DC
“You are clearly a remarkable intellect”
Thanks for the compliment love you too.
“It has obviously passed you by, but GA pilots already do pay huge amounts for their flying already, far more than they probably need to thanks to ever more restrictive legislation and unfair pricing. Do you really think that placing them under yet more financial obligation is a fair way to take this problem forward?”
I run my own a/c and I know just as you do (or even better) what are the costs involved. I was looking to fit a new silencer on the a/c (in order to reduce noise) at a purchase price of ~ £3500. The reply from the manufacturer was that it will not fit my a/c and that there are not enough left of it to make it commercially viable.
Being a ‘remarkable intellect’ I’m going to upset you even more. I do agree with some of the JAA regulations, i.e minimum number of hours, a yearly test for multi and I do agree with the CAA stand for a bi-annual. I personally try to get about 10h of training a year (I have a wonderful wife that I love dearly and will miss her terribly if I die), do you want me to tell you how much this cost? I hope to get 5h training during the next month.
“I suspect that these people simply object to anyone being 'up there' and so can't help but want to bring them down”
You are wrong again. These people can not tolerate that you me or anyone else does something that is not acceptable by their standards.
Yes, there always be people that will complain regardless of our preventive actions. Elstree has 4 (yes, FOUR) circuits patterns, do you think that these people stop from complaining? You can not win them all but you can try to disarm them. If it costs another £1500 per a/c than so be it! As a privet owner I have to pay the lot, if you rent you will pay another small number of £ if at all.
Now a question for you. What have you done in order to voice you concerns about the future of G.A (other than posting on Pprune)? Did you join Action For Airfields? Have you sent some letters? Did you speak with your parliamentary candidates/M.P about the subject? It is election time, they are very busy but they will speak with you, try it, it works, I did it.
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AC-DC,
Hmmmm. It seems that we are not really that far apart in terms of opinion here - more a difference over how we should go about tackling it.
"I personally try to get about 10h of training a year (I have a wonderful wife that I love dearly and will miss her terribly if I die), do you want me to tell you how much this cost? I hope to get 5h training during the next month."
I'm not quite sure why you need 10 hours of training a year to prevent your untimely death though!
P.S. Maybe we *should* talk at the Aerofair...?
Regards,
Nish.
Hmmmm. It seems that we are not really that far apart in terms of opinion here - more a difference over how we should go about tackling it.
"I personally try to get about 10h of training a year (I have a wonderful wife that I love dearly and will miss her terribly if I die), do you want me to tell you how much this cost? I hope to get 5h training during the next month."
I'm not quite sure why you need 10 hours of training a year to prevent your untimely death though!
P.S. Maybe we *should* talk at the Aerofair...?
Regards,
Nish.
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There are those who if they didn't whinge about "those up there" would whinge about something else!! No wonder we are known to the Aussies as "whingeing poms"
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I come by car, it will take me only 30 min. to drive. My a/c is in the hangar for the last 7 weeks and it will take another 1.5 before I can touch it. We can meet at the Cafe say by 11:00? I will have a medium size green rucksack with a small green Gorilla and the Lettering 'Kipling' on it. On the top a 'Kickers' hat.
