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'Cleared as filed' and then go 1000 miles on autopilot with just a few twists of the comms button for sector handovers (until you get to NYC...).
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One good reason they don't do this may be to maintain radio contact. Most non-commercial pilots, myself included, have no idea what the next frequency would be, and they keep changing around.
And if one goes non-radio, the 'lost comms' procedure comes in and you are implicitly cleared all the way to landing on the filed runway, and I don't think this idea goes down well with ATC.
And if one goes non-radio, the 'lost comms' procedure comes in and you are implicitly cleared all the way to landing on the filed runway, and I don't think this idea goes down well with ATC.
Genuine lost comms are lost comms, doesn't cause ATC much angst at all as procedures are in place for them. Procedures are a bit more robust than they were pre 9/11 though so anyone thinking of using lost comms on a more routine and less genuine basis might want to rethink...
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I think "own nav as filed" is totally against European ATC "controlled airspace" (with emphasis on "controlled") mentality that this will never happen in Europe.
You can get the same result (without it ever being called that by name, of course) within a given country e.g. I have had clearances right across Belgium, etc.
But there are always issues with national frontiers. These seem to be dealt with by letters of agreement between adjacent units, so the traffic flows smoothly, but this also means you will never get a clearance beyond the limit in the LOA. Yet, you are "cleared to destination", on an IFR flight plan, and this clearance cannot be practically withdrawn (within civilised Europe).
Eurocontrol is the funny one. Having met Eurocontrol people on occassions, they seem to live in an alternate universe, with their 4D etc proposals. They will have to dismantle the European national political systems, and ATC mentality, before this can happen. But it doesn't stop them going to exhibitions and preaching this stuff, alongside impressive demos of how ADS-B can replace primary radar
You can get the same result (without it ever being called that by name, of course) within a given country e.g. I have had clearances right across Belgium, etc.
But there are always issues with national frontiers. These seem to be dealt with by letters of agreement between adjacent units, so the traffic flows smoothly, but this also means you will never get a clearance beyond the limit in the LOA. Yet, you are "cleared to destination", on an IFR flight plan, and this clearance cannot be practically withdrawn (within civilised Europe).
Eurocontrol is the funny one. Having met Eurocontrol people on occassions, they seem to live in an alternate universe, with their 4D etc proposals. They will have to dismantle the European national political systems, and ATC mentality, before this can happen. But it doesn't stop them going to exhibitions and preaching this stuff, alongside impressive demos of how ADS-B can replace primary radar
