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Old 6th Jul 2010, 08:51
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Sounds like all typical quacks - the scientists just aren't doing it right and the goalposts move faster than Concord did. Plenty of magnet 'science' at Bad Science, though I didn't spot any on the two specific areas mentioend here.

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I don't think that the magnets do anything for arthritis but I understand that the copper bracelets have a positive effect. The copper is absorbed through the skin (your arm gets stained quite quickly) and directly enters your system. There is some science behind this, it was found that folk working in copper mines/industries had much lower incidences of arthritis. Probably just makes up for some dietary deficiency.

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"the copper is absorbed through the skin (your arm gets stained quite quickly) and directly enters your system. There is some science behind this, it was found that folk working in copper mines/industries had much lower incidences of arthritis. Probably just makes up for some dietary deficiency".

What complete and utter bollocks!!

There is some science behind this it was found that folk working in copper mines/industries had much lower incidences of arthritis. By whom? When?
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...it was found that folk working in copper mines/industries had much lower incidences of arthritis...
This is simply due to the fact that mine workers (especially those mining for unhealthy metals) on average don't get old enough to develop arthritis
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If any english man is willing to strap one of them there 1.5 kg magnets to there bollocks for a month and try and concieve a kid my old boss is willing to put it through the ethics commitee. Aparently its not worth testing jocks cause our sperm count is to high He did seem quite tickled with the idea of getting permission from the ethics commitee.

BTW its a well know fact that london boys have a lower sperm count than most scottish burds apart from the london poofs.
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Its more likely that what its doing is pulling the rust particles which the algae have clumped around into it.
Doubtful as unless it is a very old yacht most tanks are plastic these days and while rust could enter with the fuel you would be very unwise not to run it through a filter if in any doubt. In any event you would see rust contamination in the fuel filters.

Thinking further I dont believe the bacteria utilise calcium minerals in the water in any event and since the rust aprticles would sink I also dont see the bacteria, moulds or yeast would form on the rust particles at the water fuel interface.

Having read biology at University I have to conclude as with others there is just no scientific evidence to support any of these "theories" and to be blunt it is a load of old


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be it anything to do with magnets and fuel and water and central heating.

There is a paper here http://www.agriemach.com/htmlarea/up...%20Magnets.pdf on why bacteria hate magnets. Aside from the paper being technically incorrect elsewhere the paper is linked with the "success" of a particular fuel "filter". Just a little thought will demonstrate why this is complete nonesense. The suggestion is bacteria "hate" magnets. Yet in contaminated fuel they have no choice in entering the filter. Moreover once there whether alive or dead they will cause the same blockage to the downline fuel filter so the magent has had zero effect even if it kills the bacteria. In reality a signifcant part of the blockage caused by diesel bug is attributable to dead bacteria - bacteria which die in the tank, not the filter.
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Mad Jock!
You hadn't by chance been at some distilled substance when you posted that,had you?
The reason Scots sperm count is so high,is that
1- It's very cold in the wildlands and that encourages a high count.
2-You don't have anywhere to put it,apart from sheep and the odd hind.
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I think the authorised version of that one is that Essex girls have a higher sperm count than Essex boyz. I suppose, by extension, Scottish sheep have a higher sperm count than Scottish farmers.
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There is at least _some_ scientifically gathered evidence that magnetic fields can alter the crystallisation of calcium carbonate.
Yes, I should have been more precise. There is no scientific evidence that the effect is maintained when the magnetic field is removed and/or useful in real piping.
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If anyone believes that magnets around a fuel line increase fuel mileage... then I've got 5,000,000 shares in a company called Firepower to sell you, real cheap...

Firepower have a sure-fire pill to double your fuel mileage. Trust me, I've been in on this from the word go, and you'll make a huge killing... but only if you move fast.................... real fast... before Tim Johnston goes to jail....

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BTW its a well know fact that london boys have a lower sperm count than most scottish burds apart from the london poofs.
If memory serves, "The Skeptical Environmentalist" by Bjorn Lomborg has a section on sperm counts, (they were supposed to be falling over time, due to any number of possible dreadful man-made causes). He looked at the sampling biases in the studies, which included biases in urban versus rural. I think the gist was the city boys made the same amount, but used it faster! If you want any more details, read the book, I don't want to get banned...
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I thought it was more a water related thing and the fact that London water in particular was recycled so much, 9 times on average per glass. The water plant proccessing doesn't remove hormones so with the prelevent use of the contraceptive pill the blokes were all getting doses of hormones with every glass.

There was something else as well about Nutrasweet. But I can't remember the details. H'mm maybe thats the reason Irun Bru unleaded doesn't use Nurtasweet.
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BTW I reckon I should get a thread drift award for going from Magnets to Sperm counts.
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Is drinking water recycled? I don't think there is anywhere (apart from space vehicles, and India) where any part of sewage intentionally goes back to drinking water. The process for that does exist but is awfully expensive.
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Is drinking water recycled? I don't think there is anywhere (apart from space vehicles, and India) where any part of sewage intentionally goes back to drinking water. The process for that does exist but is awfully expensive.
It is recycled through the natural cycle, waste is treated and released back into the water system through lakes and streams and seepage and then is collected again through water extraction.

So not directly recycled in the same way as a space station but the same end result.
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Any product that works will have a cast iron guarantee to that effect. Does this product have such a guarantee?

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The london water supply is a semi closed system for a couple of reasons.

1. The out put after sweage treament makes the water cleaner than if you pulled it from a ground source.

2. The sheer volume required would mean that supply rivers would end up with dry sections between the inlet pipe and were the outlet from the treatment plant.
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I'm not sure that is true.
Pharmaceuticals,phosphates and nitrogen spring to mind for a start.
OK they are at a nationally recognised safe level,but not sure they are at a lower level than some groundwater supplies.
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I don't think it is true either. Sewage is treated only to stop the raw stuff going into the river and the sea. Recovering drinking quality water from sewage takes a lot of energy. Nature recycles the water of course but it gets distilled via precipitation, which is OK.
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mad_jock, have you been reading Urban leagends again?

Thames Water takes its supply from aquifers (groundwater), rivers and reservoirs, not directly from sewage treatment plants.

While the transformation from incoming sewage to outgoing water is remarkable at a sewage treatment plant, it is not miraculous. Not surprisingly, to prevent cross-contamination, potable water treatment plants and sewage treatment plants are separated. The processes and chemicals they each use are quite different.

Even today, it is not true that all sewage is treated before it is discharged into the sea or rivers.

One of the problems in the UK is that, historically, there has never been proper separation between surface water drainage and sewage (foul water). The sewage treatment plants can deal with the normal influx of combined surface and foul water but when there is heavy rainfall, then the volume - briefly - exceeds capacity, even of storm water holding tanks. At this point, some of the mixed sewage "overflow" has to be allowed to bypass treatment altogether, and goes straight out to sea / river.

The only two ways to improve this are to a) increase capacity by building new / extending existing sewage treatment plants or b) separating the drainage system. The latter is virtually impossible except in new-build developments while the former is expensive and unpopular - NIMBYism, etc.

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