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Old 23rd May 2010, 18:31
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Pooleys Logbook Entries

Firstly, i apologise in advance if this is a stupid questions, however, i've gone with the thought that 'there's no such thing as a stupid question' on this one.

Having only recently, very recently, started my PPL training i've bought a Pooleys Logbook but i'm a bit confused as to exactly how i should complete my entries. I don't want to go through my course only to find out that once i'm at the point of sending my logbook to the CAA that i've made entries in the wrong way so here are my questions:

As a student pilot do i enter the instructors name as PIC?

Would a training flight with an instructor be classed as a SE Single Pilot Flight or a Multi Pilot Flight?

Would the entry be made in the PIC, Co-Pilot, Dual or Instructor column?

These questions may sound a bit strange, however, i'm hoping someone has one of the Pooleys Logbooks and can help me in some way before i commit ink to paper.

Thanks in advance.
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If it is that important to you then don't bother asking people you don't even know over an internet forum!!

Ask your instructor after your flight and they will be more than happy to take you through it. All the best with your training.
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If flying as student with an instructor, instructor is PIC therefore his/her name is entered in the PIC column and the flight time would be entered in dual column (also in total time column).

Single Pilot / Multi Pilot has nothing to do with how many pilots are int the aircraft, but relates to whether the aircraft you are flying is certified for single pilot or multi pilot operations (i.e. requires more than one pilot to legally operate the aircraft). So for example Piper Cherokee - Single Pilot SE, Seneca - Single Pilot ME, Boeing 737 - Multi-Pilot.

Hope this helps.
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If it is that important to you then don't bother asking people you don't even know over an internet forum!!
Stick that answer after every question asked and they can close PPRuNe and we can all get back to our sad little lives.

Your question has been answered in the above post but do make sure you are filling in the appropriate column i.e. Day/Night. Also, you can consult the front of your logbook as there should be instructions for use in the first few pages?
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PPRuNe is primarily for Rumours & News - not for getting guidance on filling out a legal document by people you don't even know!
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Sir Herbert Gussett, apologies for assuming that there may be one or two pilots on the forums who have completed a logbook in the past and may be able to provide some information to someone who is relatively new to aviation.

To everyone else, thank you for your replies.
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Sir Herbert Gussett, apologies for assuming that there may be one or two pilots on the forums who have completed a logbook in the past and may be able to provide some information to someone who is relatively new to aviation.
Seriously though, the correct answer is that instruction on how to fill in your log book should be included in your course. Your instructor should tell you how to fill it in, and it's important that you get it right or you might not get your licence.
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Originally Posted by Shiny_Pants
Sir Herbert Gussett, apologies for assuming that there may be one or two pilots on the forums who have completed a logbook in the past and may be able to provide some information to someone who is relatively new to aviation.

To everyone else, thank you for your replies.
That's not the point... it is a legal document and you should ask your instructor for guidance on filling it out... not people you don't know - for all you know they could be a bunch of spotters
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This forum is primarily used for the asking and receiving of advice about some aspect or other of private flying. Some of it is good, some distinctly dodgy - caveat emptor! But no-one should be put off from asking.
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When it is down to legal documentation, there are appropriate channels to follow. A public forum where you don't know those that respond is NOT one of them. Instructors are paid to guide you through it and do so appropriately.
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Calm down Herbert.

The odds are that Shiny_Pants, who simply seems to me to be asking a legimitate question very sensibly, also has/is/will ask his instructor - but possibly a different set of words on here will help him to understand the answer a bit better.

There have been numerous logbook threads on Pprune, many have received RTFM responses, but this is the first I've seen answered along the lines of "don't ask us, none of us are to be trusted".

I thought that aa190's answer was very clear and correct myself.

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the rumours and news forum is where the rumours and news are.

this is the private flying forum where people ask questions about private flying related stuff. man, people on here are so tetchy.

shiny_pants, there's an example of how to fill it in at the front, with examples at the bottom. ask your instructor, once you have your first flight get your book out and he or she should show you what to put where.
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Yes you can ask your instructor but if you've had a flying lesson (not an introductory flight) you should'nt have to. As part of the de-brief your instructor should verify the times of the flight together with the topics covered. The times in your log book and the times in the airplane tech log should match and the remarks in mine are similar to the ones in my student record.
If your instructor is rushing off at the end of your lesson without talking to you about it I'd look for another flying school or instructor.
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Originally Posted by Postiee
Yes you can ask your instructor but if you've had a flying lesson (not an introductory flight) you should'nt have to. As part of the de-brief your instructor should verify the times of the flight together with the topics covered. The times in your log book and the times in the airplane tech log should match and the remarks in mine are similar to the ones in my student record.
If your instructor is rushing off at the end of your lesson without talking to you about it I'd look for another flying school or instructor.

A very valid point that - poor flying schools allow instructors to just meet you, walk out, talk whilst flying, then they go straight over to the next student.

Good flying schools have clear, well structured, briefs and debriefs before and after each flight.

(There are many other things that define good/bad of-course, but this isn't a bad general indicator, and debriefing after a lesson is vital to your learning progress.)

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