Flying with a safety pilot, logging hours....
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Who am I best off speaking to then, if when I call I speak to a "clerk"?
My back up plan is to get the SES rating this year then next year do a tail dragger rating and build time on those. Still good fun, just, not on floats..... Will have to use similar skills flying them it seems (rudder, rudder and more rudder from what I have read!)
Again, thanks guys for posting on my thread.
Now, im off to enjoy the sunshire on my 'volcano day off' (Im cabin crew with Easy!).
Regards,
Craig
My back up plan is to get the SES rating this year then next year do a tail dragger rating and build time on those. Still good fun, just, not on floats..... Will have to use similar skills flying them it seems (rudder, rudder and more rudder from what I have read!)
Again, thanks guys for posting on my thread.
Now, im off to enjoy the sunshire on my 'volcano day off' (Im cabin crew with Easy!).
Regards,
Craig
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Are you one of these people who need to speak to someone about the colour of socks your gonna wear in the day?
Read Guppies response you have no reason to speak to anyone just get on with your original plan and enjoy it.
Pace
Are you one of these people who need to speak to someone about the colour of socks your gonna wear in the day?
Read Guppies response you have no reason to speak to anyone just get on with your original plan and enjoy it.
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There is no grey area. The "safety pilot" is someone that Kenmore Air wants aboard. So far as any regulatory body is concerned, you're a rated pilot, flying with a passenger. You're the pilot in command. Whatever you do do please insurance requirements, or the company renting the airplane, is irrelevant so far as regulations go, and there's nothing grey about this.
If said SP doesn't want to log time, then so be it, you are free to log PIC and you will keep the CAA happy. I suspect though that they will, especially if an FI.
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Again, there's nothing grey about it.
This flight is to take place in the USA. There is no safety pilot required for this operation in the USA. The pilot will be rated (category and class: Airplane, Single-Engine, Sea), and therefore does not require a "safety pilot." That the facility renting the airplane requires a safety pilot has no bearing on the legal requirement for one...the safety pilot is a passenger. Period.
Whether the safety pilot wishes to log time or not is irrelevant to the original poster. Whether the safety pilot can or cannot log the time is irrelevant to the original poster.
If the safety pilot is an instructor, he or she cannot log the time unless he or she is providing instruction. This is a different scenario than the one presented by the original poster. The original poster didn't present an instruction scenario, but rather one in which he rents an airplane. In the scenario presented, the original poster isn't experienced enough in seaplanes to meet insurance requirements, and the rental facility wishes to send a more experienced pilot along to keep an eye on things.
The original poster acts as the pilot in command, and therefore has equal authority with God over the safe conduct of the flight. The "safety pilot" does not. Ultimate authority rests with the pilot in command.
If the safety pilot wishes to log time, merely being an instructor is insufficient. The safety pilot must be providing instruction, in which case the "safety pilot" isn't a safety pilot at all, but is acting in the capacity of instructor.
If the safety pilot is not an instructor, and the flight is conducted under visual conditions, the safety pilot is not required, and may only log the time if he or she is sole manipulator of the controls. Whereas the "safety pilot" is neither pilot in command or sole manipulator of the controls, and we're talking about a situation that isn't instructional, the safety pilot isn't entitled to log the time (not that it's relevant to whether the original poster may log the time).
What it is not, however, is a grey area. The original poster isn't required under the regulation to disclose the presence of a passenger, let alone the name of the passenger, nor the qualifications of the passenger...and the safety pilot is a passenger.
This flight is to take place in the USA. There is no safety pilot required for this operation in the USA. The pilot will be rated (category and class: Airplane, Single-Engine, Sea), and therefore does not require a "safety pilot." That the facility renting the airplane requires a safety pilot has no bearing on the legal requirement for one...the safety pilot is a passenger. Period.
Whether the safety pilot wishes to log time or not is irrelevant to the original poster. Whether the safety pilot can or cannot log the time is irrelevant to the original poster.
If the safety pilot is an instructor, he or she cannot log the time unless he or she is providing instruction. This is a different scenario than the one presented by the original poster. The original poster didn't present an instruction scenario, but rather one in which he rents an airplane. In the scenario presented, the original poster isn't experienced enough in seaplanes to meet insurance requirements, and the rental facility wishes to send a more experienced pilot along to keep an eye on things.
The original poster acts as the pilot in command, and therefore has equal authority with God over the safe conduct of the flight. The "safety pilot" does not. Ultimate authority rests with the pilot in command.
If the safety pilot wishes to log time, merely being an instructor is insufficient. The safety pilot must be providing instruction, in which case the "safety pilot" isn't a safety pilot at all, but is acting in the capacity of instructor.
If the safety pilot is not an instructor, and the flight is conducted under visual conditions, the safety pilot is not required, and may only log the time if he or she is sole manipulator of the controls. Whereas the "safety pilot" is neither pilot in command or sole manipulator of the controls, and we're talking about a situation that isn't instructional, the safety pilot isn't entitled to log the time (not that it's relevant to whether the original poster may log the time).
What it is not, however, is a grey area. The original poster isn't required under the regulation to disclose the presence of a passenger, let alone the name of the passenger, nor the qualifications of the passenger...and the safety pilot is a passenger.
