Argyll and Bute Out of Hours Permit
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From: Jockistan
Argyll and Bute Out of Hours Permit
Argyll and Bute Council has introduced an Out of Hours Permit Arrangement for Oban, Coll and Colonsay.
Great news for Oban which shuts at 5 or 6pm. However pretty much all landings at Coll and Colonsay are Out of Hours as it is only licenced for a few hours each week and landings are only permitted outwith the times of scheduled services.
On the surface it's a cut and paste of the HIAL OOH Indemnity. At least until you get to the charges.
HIAL charge £31 and the permit is issued against the aircraft for multiple airports. Owner/operators with multiple aircraft can apply for more than one aircraft at the same time. The cost is still £31.
A&B are charging £35 per airfield and each pilot requires their own indemnity. That means our group of 2 wanting to visit all 3 airfields will be charged £35 x 3 x 2 = £230. Significantly worse for larger groups.
Fortunately it's business as usual for Glenforsa.
Great news for Oban which shuts at 5 or 6pm. However pretty much all landings at Coll and Colonsay are Out of Hours as it is only licenced for a few hours each week and landings are only permitted outwith the times of scheduled services.
On the surface it's a cut and paste of the HIAL OOH Indemnity. At least until you get to the charges.
HIAL charge £31 and the permit is issued against the aircraft for multiple airports. Owner/operators with multiple aircraft can apply for more than one aircraft at the same time. The cost is still £31.
A&B are charging £35 per airfield and each pilot requires their own indemnity. That means our group of 2 wanting to visit all 3 airfields will be charged £35 x 3 x 2 = £230. Significantly worse for larger groups.
Fortunately it's business as usual for Glenforsa.
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I visited Coll and Colonsay about 3 weeks ago. I they didn't need any out of hours permits then (At least they never mentioned it when I rang for PPR), and the landing fee was in the order of £15.
Is the out of hours permit brand new? Are the charges on top of the landing fee? Once obtained does it have to be renewed?
Is the out of hours permit brand new? Are the charges on top of the landing fee? Once obtained does it have to be renewed?
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From: Kilmacolm
Probably because you weren't visiting them out of hours?
A fellow group member and I nearly got stuck at Oban the other week which is how we found out about the £35.25 charge per pilot per airport for out of hours use (a yearly charge).
I expect this is also how 140kias found out about the charges...
A fellow group member and I nearly got stuck at Oban the other week which is how we found out about the £35.25 charge per pilot per airport for out of hours use (a yearly charge).
I expect this is also how 140kias found out about the charges...
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From: Jockistan
CZ, unlikely that Metoffice was there during operating hours as Saturday and Sunday flights only operate during term time and the kids are still on Easter Holidays.
Also Coll and Colonsay are only licenced during the short windows when the scheduled flight comes. And according to the website entries for Coll and Colonsay "landings are only permitted outwith the times of the scheduled air services".
Therefore it would seem that for whatever reason they are not as yet enforcing the permits which is good news for now at least.
Metoffice - were you one of the several aircraft routing from Colonsay to Fife on Saturday. We were coming south from Plockton and heard them on Scottish Info.
Also Coll and Colonsay are only licenced during the short windows when the scheduled flight comes. And according to the website entries for Coll and Colonsay "landings are only permitted outwith the times of the scheduled air services".
Therefore it would seem that for whatever reason they are not as yet enforcing the permits which is good news for now at least.
Metoffice - were you one of the several aircraft routing from Colonsay to Fife on Saturday. We were coming south from Plockton and heard them on Scottish Info.
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PPR for Colonsay refused today as I didn't have the necessary indemnity. Sounds like they are now enforcing it more rigorously.
Went to Oban instead - seems like they are using a copy of the Heathrow Ops Manual - only people on the apron but told to call tower for startup
Went to Oban instead - seems like they are using a copy of the Heathrow Ops Manual - only people on the apron but told to call tower for startup
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From: Deep inth Norhtern Hills
Oh Oh OBAN!
Had the delight of visiting Oban last week for a fuel stop! and a potential out of hours TAKING ONES PANTS DOWN out of hours permit!
On paying my landing fee to a delightfull and friendly lady in the new terminal 5 building, I asked at what time did the airfield close? the reply was 5.15.
I needed a further refueling stop later that day so she suggested the out of hours form, after filling the form in I was refused a permit because I had put my business address on the form? The flight was a private flight but the jobsworth of a manager insisted it was for the use of private flights only and by putting my company address on it made the flight a commercial flight.
Thanks guys for screwing my day up by having to return early to refuel and as the manager said be out before 5.15 or else!
What a complete shambles and waste of EU money! for christ sake get back to the past of an airfield that was a welcome to visit, great service, with a cabin and a kettle and those great JAMMY DODGERS!!!!!
Its not only the midgys that bite on the west coast !
Thanks again to the good service of the guys in Scottish Info and EGPF
On paying my landing fee to a delightfull and friendly lady in the new terminal 5 building, I asked at what time did the airfield close? the reply was 5.15.
I needed a further refueling stop later that day so she suggested the out of hours form, after filling the form in I was refused a permit because I had put my business address on the form? The flight was a private flight but the jobsworth of a manager insisted it was for the use of private flights only and by putting my company address on it made the flight a commercial flight.
Thanks guys for screwing my day up by having to return early to refuel and as the manager said be out before 5.15 or else!
What a complete shambles and waste of EU money! for christ sake get back to the past of an airfield that was a welcome to visit, great service, with a cabin and a kettle and those great JAMMY DODGERS!!!!!
Its not only the midgys that bite on the west coast !
Thanks again to the good service of the guys in Scottish Info and EGPF
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From: Appleby-in-Westmorland Cumbria England
Last time I was on Colonsay (by rotors) I was a bit surprised to see a light aircraft taking off from the beach next to the airfield. Maybe this is the answer ..... 
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PENNINE BOY: What a disheartening story. I really think you should write to the Council's Director of Transport about this, setting out what constitutes a commercial vs private flight etc etc and spelling out what they should do to encourage more use and therefore more revenue.
I wonder if it might be worth getting AOPA involved too?
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I wonder if it might be worth getting AOPA involved too?
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A tale of two cities...
I visited Oban not so long ago. Fuelling service couldn't have been more helpful or more hospitable. Excellent coffee and biscuits - nothing was too much trouble. Airport management and the tower on the other hand - a complete bunch of dour jobsworths. Rules is rules mentality. Having to call for start clearance is a joke and entirely unnecessary. I know fields with 10 times as many movements which operate perfectly safely without this type of restriction. Why the hell it's PPR as well is beyond me. I've been there a few times (out of necessity rather than desire) and have never yet seen anything like the volume of traffic that might justify this. What a waste of a delightful location which ought to be a pleasure to visit....