Beware of Re Bar on Alderney approach
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Beware of Re Bar on Alderney approach
If you are landing at Alderney, try to land on the runway (unlike picture one, don't worry they where all fine). But if you are going to land short of the runway try your very hardest not to land on the approach lights as even though they are exquisitely made in very light weight materials, some complete idiot has reinforced the surrounding fence with 30kg wrist sized re bar at pilot leg height ...Doh! (as Homer Simpson would say).
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I doubt if they meet the criteria for a Licensed airfield's runway 'clearway'.......
Bleedin dangerous I reckon if you slid off the end in any type and hit those....
Bleedin dangerous I reckon if you slid off the end in any type and hit those....
How far short of the threshold is this set of lights? Is it possible that it lies outside of the designated clearway?
Is it the same at both ends of that runway?
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Is it the same at both ends of that runway?
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It would be interesting to know if the Airport Authority know they've been put there.
That may sound almost unbeliveable, but over the years I've seen many similar things installed on airfields by the maintenance personnel which go against every rule in the book, often they're not discovered, especially if they're in a remote field location outwith the airport itself, until someone from another department sees them or the CAA Aerodrome Inspector pays a visit.
These lights are, as with many airfields, clearly in a field which would only normally be visited by those who maintain it and the farmer.
Perhaps those who run Alderney should be told?
That may sound almost unbeliveable, but over the years I've seen many similar things installed on airfields by the maintenance personnel which go against every rule in the book, often they're not discovered, especially if they're in a remote field location outwith the airport itself, until someone from another department sees them or the CAA Aerodrome Inspector pays a visit.
These lights are, as with many airfields, clearly in a field which would only normally be visited by those who maintain it and the farmer.
Perhaps those who run Alderney should be told?
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I'm told that as Alderney is not fully under 'British Rule' and that they only have to use 'CAA Guidelines', yes they have been told, are they going to do anything? .... I very much doubt it.
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Yep same as Guernsey and Jersey. They say the will try and conform to industry best practise but if it costs to much or they can't be bothered they won't.
They are not part of Europe either so any EASA rules you find they will be ignore as well.
If you really want a laugh go and find the Guernsey ANO and have a read of it. If you can find it. There are several major differences to IACO. Try and find them published and you will struggle. There is no differences filed either.
They are not part of Europe either so any EASA rules you find they will be ignore as well.
If you really want a laugh go and find the Guernsey ANO and have a read of it. If you can find it. There are several major differences to IACO. Try and find them published and you will struggle. There is no differences filed either.
How far short of the threshold is this set of lights?
If anyone lands 300m short of an 880m runway, or overruns the same runway on landing or indeed departs the end on a rejected take-off by 300m surely you would have to ask serious questions of the pilot(s)?
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You have to think of flying into small islands as like strip flying not major airport flying. A more interesting hazard can be studied at Animals disrupt flying in Alderney Alderney News This Is Guernsey
The Channel Islands are British Territory but self governing within a framework that goes back to William the Conqueror. Their airspace is in fact the Brest FIR but the French cede control to Jersey during the day.
The Channel Islands are British Territory but self governing within a framework that goes back to William the Conqueror. Their airspace is in fact the Brest FIR but the French cede control to Jersey during the day.
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So Fly by Wife,
when you take off and think it's all going well, but the engine stops, and you smash through the far set of lights in the ensuing forced landing, and the said 'rebar' penetrates your cockpit space and goes straight through you (i've seen it happen with cars..), will you be so smug then?
It's a genuine concern, and one which the Alderney powers that be should address if the lights are on airport property, just in case there is an accident and this thread is produced in court! Duty of care and all that.......
when you take off and think it's all going well, but the engine stops, and you smash through the far set of lights in the ensuing forced landing, and the said 'rebar' penetrates your cockpit space and goes straight through you (i've seen it happen with cars..), will you be so smug then?
It's a genuine concern, and one which the Alderney powers that be should address if the lights are on airport property, just in case there is an accident and this thread is produced in court! Duty of care and all that.......
Chuffer,
Even without an engine one can still steer the aircraft, and I'm sure that any competent pilot with an EFATO would a) want to avoid the wooden fence and b) be able to do so, irrespective of the presence of rebar. The obstruction isn't that wide, after all - just a few degrees of turn to avoid it.
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Even without an engine one can still steer the aircraft, and I'm sure that any competent pilot with an EFATO would a) want to avoid the wooden fence and b) be able to do so, irrespective of the presence of rebar. The obstruction isn't that wide, after all - just a few degrees of turn to avoid it.
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Thats if they even see the fence until its to late. It you might have a point with a single but the muti engine machines if an engine goes bang they are not quite so controllable in direction. Remember they are not pref A machines so are not garanteed to climb after failure and may limp a few hundred feet before hitting the deck.
To be honest I doudt very much if the airport even knew the re-bar was being used in the fencing.
The farmer will have had a requirement to shaw up the fence because its boggy as hell around the lights. Fencing posts etc will be expensive cause they will have to be shipped in. The re-bar will proberly be spare from some other project. Once its been sitting for a while you can't use it for its intended purpose because there won't be any paperwork for it. Farmer would have been dead chuffed he found a use for it and his fence is srurdy as anything.
To be honest I doudt very much if the airport even knew the re-bar was being used in the fencing.
The farmer will have had a requirement to shaw up the fence because its boggy as hell around the lights. Fencing posts etc will be expensive cause they will have to be shipped in. The re-bar will proberly be spare from some other project. Once its been sitting for a while you can't use it for its intended purpose because there won't be any paperwork for it. Farmer would have been dead chuffed he found a use for it and his fence is srurdy as anything.
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Even without an engine one can still steer the aircraft, and I'm sure that any competent pilot with an EFATO would a) want to avoid the wooden fence and b) be able to do so, irrespective of the presence of rebar. The obstruction isn't that wide, after all - just a few degrees of turn to avoid it.
Besides a wooden fence would be a good way to arrest speed.....well unless it has sodding great metal bars in it. If they turned the bars 90 degrees things would be better...