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Surely, a Breitling - the one with the 121.5 transmitter inside.
Does Breitling do a GPS-enabled 243 MHz emergency watch already?
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Satellite monitoring of 121.5MHz never worked anyway, due to false alarms and "accuracy" of several hundred nm.
Satellite monitoring of 243MHz stopped in 2009.
So a 406MHz watch is the way to go
I think the power requirement may be significant though... you can emit milliwatts on 121.5 and it will still get picked up on VDF equipment from say 10 miles away, which is all that 121.5 beacons were used for anyway for many years. But I think 406 needs a certain power to be picked up by the satellite.
However, Breitling would be perfectly happy to bring out a watch that is 100mm diameter, 50mm thick, and weights 1kg. Think of the extra pose value After all, their current products are halfway there already, size-wise
Satellite monitoring of 243MHz stopped in 2009.
So a 406MHz watch is the way to go
I think the power requirement may be significant though... you can emit milliwatts on 121.5 and it will still get picked up on VDF equipment from say 10 miles away, which is all that 121.5 beacons were used for anyway for many years. But I think 406 needs a certain power to be picked up by the satellite.However, Breitling would be perfectly happy to bring out a watch that is 100mm diameter, 50mm thick, and weights 1kg. Think of the extra pose value
After all, their current products are halfway there already, size-wise
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Why settle for a paltry Breitling if you can have this?
Oversized Watches: Search results for 54mm
It's big, it's ugly, it's unreadable and it's only €520,000...
O.k., it hasn't got an ELT. But you can always carry one on the other wrist.
Oversized Watches: Search results for 54mm
It's big, it's ugly, it's unreadable and it's only €520,000...
O.k., it hasn't got an ELT. But you can always carry one on the other wrist.
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O.k. Bose-x, I'll rephrase to 'hard to read in the cockpit'.
Still, congratulations on your choice! I sold mine because I found it hard to read though...
I see adverts for watches like this in magazines all the time and many times wondered if they actually sell some of these.
Still, congratulations on your choice! I sold mine because I found it hard to read though...
I see adverts for watches like this in magazines all the time and many times wondered if they actually sell some of these.
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Why would anyone need 6 approach timers?
The official explanation in the ASA flight timer instruction booklet was that you could preset each of these timers to countdown from a set value, and you would look at your approach plates for the approaches you flew most and set six values accordingly. So the APP1 timer would be the NDB approach for your home field, APP2 would be the VOR approach for your favourite destination, and so forth.
I'll leave the poking of holes in this explanation to other readers of this forum.
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I'll leave the poking of holes in this explanation to other readers of this forum.
But obviously, peoply base their buying decision on this kind of stuff.
BTW: I have yet to time my first apporach (after 21 years of instrument flying) - but thats a completey different topic.
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I could see you maybe setting 1 timer for one tank of fuel and one for the other one. But i have never yet seen anyone remember every time to swap the timers over. Personally I go for the top part of the hour is on the left tank and the bottom the Right tank.
O well each unto there own.
Personally a Citzen eco drive with 24 hour hand for zulu is my timing device of preference in light aircraft. Zulu hand is for work.
Usually the students that go for the really fancy stuff manage to cock a perfectly good Nav sortie up by fannying around with there timer thingy. Turn time twist turns into Turn, fanny around for 3 mins with the timer and twist and then wonder were the hell are they as they have wandered off by 45deg's while fannying about.
O well each unto there own.
Personally a Citzen eco drive with 24 hour hand for zulu is my timing device of preference in light aircraft. Zulu hand is for work.
Usually the students that go for the really fancy stuff manage to cock a perfectly good Nav sortie up by fannying around with there timer thingy. Turn time twist turns into Turn, fanny around for 3 mins with the timer and twist and then wonder were the hell are they as they have wandered off by 45deg's while fannying about.
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I could see you maybe setting 1 timer for one tank of fuel and one for the other one.
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NO
After that bit of info it is now confirmed to be on MJ list of ****e bits of flying kit, it joins bits of plastic to work out circuit headings and other such more money than sense items.
After that bit of info it is now confirmed to be on MJ list of ****e bits of flying kit, it joins bits of plastic to work out circuit headings and other such more money than sense items.
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MJ, you know what I think it is?
While still in flight training you have money to spend but since you're not qualified yet, cannot spend it on flying. Except for the weekly scheduled lesson. So you start spending your money on stuff that you think is going to improve your flying, or makes you feel good/smart/special/important.
Once you've got the license and a bit of experience you start to realise that other than a map, a watch and a pen, there's really not a lot you need to go flying. But you also realise that the flying itself is rather darn expensive. So you quickly grow out of buying unnecessary stuff.
There's a whole market catering for the first category. This page is a good start:
Nav Kit - afeonline.com, Europe's favourite online Pilot Shop, by
And this is even better:
AviationMegastore.com
And the word gullible comes to mind: I have seen guys walking around with five different types of protractors in their pockets. How many different ways are there to measure angles and lengths?
While still in flight training you have money to spend but since you're not qualified yet, cannot spend it on flying. Except for the weekly scheduled lesson. So you start spending your money on stuff that you think is going to improve your flying, or makes you feel good/smart/special/important.
Once you've got the license and a bit of experience you start to realise that other than a map, a watch and a pen, there's really not a lot you need to go flying. But you also realise that the flying itself is rather darn expensive. So you quickly grow out of buying unnecessary stuff.
There's a whole market catering for the first category. This page is a good start:
Nav Kit - afeonline.com, Europe's favourite online Pilot Shop, by
And this is even better:
AviationMegastore.com
And the word gullible comes to mind: I have seen guys walking around with five different types of protractors in their pockets. How many different ways are there to measure angles and lengths?
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Aye whats just under one of them timers on the AFE site but those stupid heading calculators.
Nearly made the bloke in the spotters shop in Leeds cry when he was about to flog 5 different coloured chinagraphs, 3 different rulers, a square, 3 sheets of VOR roses, a chart that was about to go out of date in 2 weeks time a crap 5, pen clips, vfr logs, those heading calculators, and 2 things I didn't even have a clue what they did or what they were.
The dad was well chuffed when they left with Book 1 and air law and a list they could get from tesco's.
Mind you the school I help out with reckons I sell stuff by negative feed back. I tell folk whats ****e and what they really need. Doesn't seem to make a blind bit of difference.
Normal sales line for see through VOR roses
What are these for?
Put them back they are ****e you don't need them.
How much are they?
You don't need to know cause there ****e.
Would they help with my Nav?
No cause there ****e, your nav is ****e, two ****es just means a bigger lump of ****e.
Ok stick two sheets on my bill for today along with one of these special rubbers.
Ehh!!!!
4 hours later, who manged to shift some of those VOR roses?
Me
But you don't like them and tell everyone there ****e.
Yep and I did, and he still bought them along with one of those daft rubbers.
Nearly made the bloke in the spotters shop in Leeds cry when he was about to flog 5 different coloured chinagraphs, 3 different rulers, a square, 3 sheets of VOR roses, a chart that was about to go out of date in 2 weeks time a crap 5, pen clips, vfr logs, those heading calculators, and 2 things I didn't even have a clue what they did or what they were.
The dad was well chuffed when they left with Book 1 and air law and a list they could get from tesco's.
Mind you the school I help out with reckons I sell stuff by negative feed back. I tell folk whats ****e and what they really need. Doesn't seem to make a blind bit of difference.
Normal sales line for see through VOR roses
What are these for?
Put them back they are ****e you don't need them.
How much are they?
You don't need to know cause there ****e.
Would they help with my Nav?
No cause there ****e, your nav is ****e, two ****es just means a bigger lump of ****e.
Ok stick two sheets on my bill for today along with one of these special rubbers.
Ehh!!!!
4 hours later, who manged to shift some of those VOR roses?
Me
But you don't like them and tell everyone there ****e.
Yep and I did, and he still bought them along with one of those daft rubbers.
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according to wikipedia they do a 243 watch as well
Breitling - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Aye whats just under one of them timers on the AFE site but those stupid heading calculators.
Nearly made the bloke in the spotters shop in Leeds cry when he was about to flog 5 different coloured chinagraphs, 3 different rulers, a square, 3 sheets of VOR roses, a chart that was about to go out of date in 2 weeks time a crap 5, pen clips, vfr logs, those heading calculators, and 2 things I didn't even have a clue what they did or what they were.
The dad was well chuffed when they left with Book 1 and air law and a list they could get from tesco's.
Mind you the school I help out with reckons I sell stuff by negative feed back. I tell folk whats ****e and what they really need. Doesn't seem to make a blind bit of difference.
Normal sales line for see through VOR roses
What are these for?
Put them back they are ****e you don't need them.
How much are they?
You don't need to know cause there ****e.
Would they help with my Nav?
No cause there ****e, your nav is ****e, two ****es just means a bigger lump of ****e.
Ok stick two sheets on my bill for today along with one of these special rubbers.
Ehh!!!!
4 hours later, who manged to shift some of those VOR roses?
Me
But you don't like them and tell everyone there ****e.
Yep and I did, and he still bought them along with one of those daft rubbers.
Nearly made the bloke in the spotters shop in Leeds cry when he was about to flog 5 different coloured chinagraphs, 3 different rulers, a square, 3 sheets of VOR roses, a chart that was about to go out of date in 2 weeks time a crap 5, pen clips, vfr logs, those heading calculators, and 2 things I didn't even have a clue what they did or what they were.
The dad was well chuffed when they left with Book 1 and air law and a list they could get from tesco's.
Mind you the school I help out with reckons I sell stuff by negative feed back. I tell folk whats ****e and what they really need. Doesn't seem to make a blind bit of difference.
Normal sales line for see through VOR roses
What are these for?
Put them back they are ****e you don't need them.
How much are they?
You don't need to know cause there ****e.
Would they help with my Nav?
No cause there ****e, your nav is ****e, two ****es just means a bigger lump of ****e.
Ok stick two sheets on my bill for today along with one of these special rubbers.
Ehh!!!!
4 hours later, who manged to shift some of those VOR roses?
Me
But you don't like them and tell everyone there ****e.
Yep and I did, and he still bought them along with one of those daft rubbers.
No, really, are them VOR roses any good??
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ASA 2 Timer.
Dohh!, I have just ordered an ASA 2 timer from Transair; how big is big? none of the ads anywhere state the dimensions. Like you say, it has to be 'portable'