What is the definition of the title 'Captain'?
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Sorry Hatzflyer;
They only ever said pilot in command. Oddly the business cards my employer gives to me and my colleagues use Captain for P1s and F/O for the P2's. But my job title is Senior Pilot, not Senior Captain or F/O.
And I'd get mighty p***ed off is someone send stuff to Captain at my home address.
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They only ever said pilot in command. Oddly the business cards my employer gives to me and my colleagues use Captain for P1s and F/O for the P2's. But my job title is Senior Pilot, not Senior Captain or F/O.
And I'd get mighty p***ed off is someone send stuff to Captain at my home address.
SND
Sorry, but I can't resist reposting what I said on the Rotorheads forum where there were three pages on the same subject of http://www.pprune.org/rotorheads/377...y-captain.html last year
"You really have to laugh about the whole four stripes/bars malarkey when you consider that the "captain" of a military helicopter can be a Corporal whereas a military four-stripe equivalent Captain/Group Captain/Colonel is, theoretically, some nine or ten ranks higher (depending on country/service)!
Puts it all in perspective somehow."
And, to put in even better perspective, I recall jump-seating on a Nimrod landing at RAF Kinloss when the Captain, a one stripe Flying Officer, told the Station Commander, a four stripe Group Captain, "I have control!" when the latter was lining the aircraft up substantially to the right of the runway. Oh how we laughed - but not, it should be said, immediately!
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"You really have to laugh about the whole four stripes/bars malarkey when you consider that the "captain" of a military helicopter can be a Corporal whereas a military four-stripe equivalent Captain/Group Captain/Colonel is, theoretically, some nine or ten ranks higher (depending on country/service)!
Puts it all in perspective somehow."
And, to put in even better perspective, I recall jump-seating on a Nimrod landing at RAF Kinloss when the Captain, a one stripe Flying Officer, told the Station Commander, a four stripe Group Captain, "I have control!" when the latter was lining the aircraft up substantially to the right of the runway. Oh how we laughed - but not, it should be said, immediately!
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The title of Captain, and any amount of gold bars, are to my mind an appointment by an employer and not a qualification.
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Well... I'm sure that for some period of time, earlier in his career, like many sailors, he was simply referred to as "seaman".....
I've just dug out my "Seaman's Discharge Book" (no kidding it really is called that) from my brief period as a ship's engineer and in the Certificates of Discharge section - essentially a logbook of engagements and discharges from various ships- there is a column for the Signature of the Master so Captain Bates of the QM2 would have signed these as Master. Tucked into its pages I also found a Testimonial of Service and that too bears the signature of the Chief Engineer and the Master and the book includes many references to the Master (and none at all to Captains) .
I seem to remember that many traditional Masters of cargo ships were rather sniffy about being referred to as "Captain" a title they associated with all the Captain's Table and ballroom dancing with the wealthier female passengers nonsense that in their view had nothing at all to do with the master mariner's real job of making a successful passage.
The snootier shipping lines were at one time quite fond of awarding their senior captains the equally legal status free title of Commodore.
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This document might shed some light...
http://www.icao.int/anb/aig/Taxonomy...censetypes.pdf
Seems that all of us (in qualifying aircraft types) are 'pilot in command' when in charge (even of only ourselves) and the differentiation is by license privileges.
It seems reasonable to refer to a 'pilot in command' as aircraft commander and I note that the AAIB do in their reports.
I would imagine that this common status has something to do with any commanders empowerment to override any other authority or disregard the rules of the air, when the safety of the aircraft requires this.
Nonetheless, I have no plans to invest in a band leaders outfit or add the title 'captain' to my business cards, I'll leave that to the professionals who have earned this honorific and stick to trying to keep the take off and landings columns equal in number.
http://www.icao.int/anb/aig/Taxonomy...censetypes.pdf
Seems that all of us (in qualifying aircraft types) are 'pilot in command' when in charge (even of only ourselves) and the differentiation is by license privileges.
It seems reasonable to refer to a 'pilot in command' as aircraft commander and I note that the AAIB do in their reports.
I would imagine that this common status has something to do with any commanders empowerment to override any other authority or disregard the rules of the air, when the safety of the aircraft requires this.
Nonetheless, I have no plans to invest in a band leaders outfit or add the title 'captain' to my business cards, I'll leave that to the professionals who have earned this honorific and stick to trying to keep the take off and landings columns equal in number.
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Calling yourself a captain when you're a PPL is in the same league as the repair man from Sky calling himself an engineer.
Also, tell your friend that it's impressive enough to most that he's learning to fly, there's no need for more ego massaging!
Also, tell your friend that it's impressive enough to most that he's learning to fly, there's no need for more ego massaging!
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Believe everything you read do you? In my opinion an aircraft's Captain is the person responsible for the aircraft for instance the person that has signed the Tech Log. How ever a Captain by title in my eyes is the holder of a CPL.
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You really have to laugh about the whole four stripes/bars malarkey when you consider that the "captain" of a military helicopter can be a Corporal
