NPPL in Europe
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NPPL in Europe
I am interested in flying to France on my NPPL licence and have been told it is possible by obtaining permission from the French authorities in advance.
Can anyone confirm if this is possible and if so, how to go about it.
Can anyone confirm if this is possible and if so, how to go about it.
Wait until you see an announcement on the NPPL website - hopefully early next year.
Until then, the answer is no, you cannot exercise NPPL SSEA privileges in France!
Until then, the answer is no, you cannot exercise NPPL SSEA privileges in France!
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Looks like we have to wait until next year,slightly confused re ICAO medical requirements for different countries.
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PPL now flying on NPPL privileges (and truly grateful for that!) and LAA member
Yes, you will indeed have to wait until next year! But my intention is that you won't have to wait long - keep en eye on the NPPL website.
As ever, the devil is in the detail. Many amateur pilots are very poor with paperwork, so we need to make the process idiot-proof. Also, we need to ensure that those wretched few of a devious and unscrupulous nature, or vexatious barrack room lawyers, cannot find some unintended consequence which they might seek to exploit.
As an example of the detail:
isn't quite specific enough. All this experience must be recorded in pilots' personal flying log books and must all have been on SSEA / SEP aeroplanes. The 5 hours 'cross-country' solo must have been as sole occupant of the aeroplane on pilot navigation exercises. The 150 nautical mile cross-country flight must include full-stop landings at two aerodromes other than the aerodromes of departure and final landing.
Also
this needs to be legally permissible either through an ANO amendment or an AIC - which currently it isn't..
So please be patient; several people have spent a lot of time, trouble and effort in preparing the 'ICAO compliance' process for NPPL SSEA Class rating holders, but we are not quite ready yet to publicise the process.
Incidentally, neither the NPPL Policy and Steering Committee nor NPLG Ltd can comment on whether the same 'ICAO compliance' methodology will be available for non-NPPL pilots operating under the exemptions of ORS4 no. 756. That will be for the CAA to decide - so if you are flying under such an exemption, please do NOT make any enquiries to NPLG, direct them instead to the CAA.
As ever, the devil is in the detail. Many amateur pilots are very poor with paperwork, so we need to make the process idiot-proof. Also, we need to ensure that those wretched few of a devious and unscrupulous nature, or vexatious barrack room lawyers, cannot find some unintended consequence which they might seek to exploit.
As an example of the detail:
and that their flying log book shows:
that they have flown in excess of 40 hours total, including at least 10 hours solo, of which at least 5 hours was flying cross-country, and that they have carried out at least one cross-country solo flight of 150 miles or more with full stop landings at two different aerodromes.
that they have flown in excess of 40 hours total, including at least 10 hours solo, of which at least 5 hours was flying cross-country, and that they have carried out at least one cross-country solo flight of 150 miles or more with full stop landings at two different aerodromes.
Also
CAA have confirmed that if an NPPL holder has a valid ICAO medical this is acceptable in lieu of the NPPL self declaration.
So please be patient; several people have spent a lot of time, trouble and effort in preparing the 'ICAO compliance' process for NPPL SSEA Class rating holders, but we are not quite ready yet to publicise the process.
Incidentally, neither the NPPL Policy and Steering Committee nor NPLG Ltd can comment on whether the same 'ICAO compliance' methodology will be available for non-NPPL pilots operating under the exemptions of ORS4 no. 756. That will be for the CAA to decide - so if you are flying under such an exemption, please do NOT make any enquiries to NPLG, direct them instead to the CAA.
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NPPL medical
A valid medical certificate that complies with the standards of Annex 1 to
the International Convention on Civil Aviation
It seems that progress is being made but what does this mean? The reason I have an NPPL is because I am unable to pass a medical for a JAR PPL licence. I have nearly 90 hours P1 and have visited 40 different airfields to date.
I am very grateful that I can fly at all on an NPPL but would like to progress further. To further the discussion I would like to get an IMC rating which is a UK rating but although it is argued that this is a safety issue this is not possible. Is it worth doing the training and if really required can I ignore the legalities, survive, and argue the protocol at a later date?
the International Convention on Civil Aviation
It seems that progress is being made but what does this mean? The reason I have an NPPL is because I am unable to pass a medical for a JAR PPL licence. I have nearly 90 hours P1 and have visited 40 different airfields to date.
I am very grateful that I can fly at all on an NPPL but would like to progress further. To further the discussion I would like to get an IMC rating which is a UK rating but although it is argued that this is a safety issue this is not possible. Is it worth doing the training and if really required can I ignore the legalities, survive, and argue the protocol at a later date?
1. The NPPL was conceived as a day / VFR licence restricted to 'SSEA' aeroplanes in UK airspace. Pilots MUST respect its limitations.
2. Extension of such privileges to French airpsace is now under development.
3. Years ago, we had an ICAO-compliant 'CAA Class 3' medical which was swept aside when the CAA adopted JAR-FCL. The mechanism by which ICAO-compliant pilot medical certificates may be obtained by NPPL holders is being developed.
4. The DGAC have indicated a set of requirements which would allow suitably qualified NPPL SSEA pilots to exercise their licence privileges in French airspace.
5. There is no likelihood of the IMC rating being available to NPPL holders.
If there is any likelihood of the weather falling below NPPL SSEA limits, you should not fly. If it does, the limted training you received during your NPPL training should be sufficient for you to regain VMC.
If all you want is radio navigation training, perhaps you should consider the AOPA radio navigation course.
2. Extension of such privileges to French airpsace is now under development.
3. Years ago, we had an ICAO-compliant 'CAA Class 3' medical which was swept aside when the CAA adopted JAR-FCL. The mechanism by which ICAO-compliant pilot medical certificates may be obtained by NPPL holders is being developed.
4. The DGAC have indicated a set of requirements which would allow suitably qualified NPPL SSEA pilots to exercise their licence privileges in French airspace.
5. There is no likelihood of the IMC rating being available to NPPL holders.
If there is any likelihood of the weather falling below NPPL SSEA limits, you should not fly. If it does, the limted training you received during your NPPL training should be sufficient for you to regain VMC.
If all you want is radio navigation training, perhaps you should consider the AOPA radio navigation course.
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If you want to improve your instrument flying and you have an NPPL why not just do the training and sit a mock test? This is bound to make you a safer pilot and you will be more accurate in VMC as well. Should the UK weather catch you out then you may survive to learn from the experience. I fly a permit aircraft which restricts me to VFR, but I have an IMCR and I practice in my permit machine.
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