Headset MP3 plug in (thing?)
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Headset MP3 plug in (thing?)
Hey All,
I have noticed that it is possible to get a headset which allows the pilot to connect there mobile phone/ mp3 player does anyone know if you can get an adapter that lets you connect a phone with out having to change headset?
Thanks
Tom
I have noticed that it is possible to get a headset which allows the pilot to connect there mobile phone/ mp3 player does anyone know if you can get an adapter that lets you connect a phone with out having to change headset?
Thanks
Tom
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I'm not sure an adapter, even if available, would be a good idea. Headsets with MP3/phone connectors, such as the Lightspeed Zulu, automatically mute them when the radio is receiving, so you don't miss anything important.
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Ive a Lightspeed Zulu and have made a couple of calls from the air with it. It works great. It also takes an MP3 at the same time (havent used this feature) and the radio takes priority over both. Highly recommend it.
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Yeh you can buy adapters on the standard aviation supplies websites. Here I managed to make something to get a mic input to a video camera which is tested and works. I plan on seeing if it will work on my mobile so I'll let you know if it does.
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in a light aircraft you can get away with just putting the phone to your ear, even a cheap hands free thingy works surprisingly well. I did hear a rumour years ago that the reason it was illegal was that phone companies find it hard to charge for the call due to the phone being in sight of numerous masts at the same time which obviously is not the case on the surface.
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AFAIK it is still illegal.
In an aircraft that does not have FM-immune systems, it is just plain stupid. What's more, to have your hands and brain occupied by making a phone call when your attention should be on flying is about as stupid as it's possible to get.
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I also have serious doubts about the wisdom of listening to an MP3 player even when the radio is not receiving. I consider that it's important to be able to hear the note of the engine, any abnormal noises from airframe or engine, etc. For pax, of course, the situation is different. Keep the kiddies entertained, but don't be a kiddie yourself.
In an aircraft that does not have FM-immune systems, it is just plain stupid. What's more, to have your hands and brain occupied by making a phone call when your attention should be on flying is about as stupid as it's possible to get.
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I also have serious doubts about the wisdom of listening to an MP3 player even when the radio is not receiving. I consider that it's important to be able to hear the note of the engine, any abnormal noises from airframe or engine, etc. For pax, of course, the situation is different. Keep the kiddies entertained, but don't be a kiddie yourself.
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Well Captain a well balanced and reasonable response!
FM immune? Chasing ghosts in the average spamcan, you're more likely to have strange effects from the portable GPS than anything else. If you had a fly by wire light aircraft with electronic autopilot if might have an effect - but event that kit is supposed to be somewhat immune.....
Yes, I listen to music occasionally when flying. I've also made a couple of phone calls - to deal with unexpected PPR and 2 VHF radio failures.... for the latter the ability to connect to a headset would have been very useful. (and no, the aircraft did not fall out of the sky, the electronics spark and fry or the engine stop).
FM immune? Chasing ghosts in the average spamcan, you're more likely to have strange effects from the portable GPS than anything else. If you had a fly by wire light aircraft with electronic autopilot if might have an effect - but event that kit is supposed to be somewhat immune.....
Yes, I listen to music occasionally when flying. I've also made a couple of phone calls - to deal with unexpected PPR and 2 VHF radio failures.... for the latter the ability to connect to a headset would have been very useful. (and no, the aircraft did not fall out of the sky, the electronics spark and fry or the engine stop).
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So, gasax, you consider that the rules are for other people and not for you?
"Unexpected" PPR? Perhaps a little more prior planning and preparation might be of assistance in preventing pi55-poor performance.
GPS doesn't transmit, so will not be a problem to the aircraft equipment.
"somewhat immune"? What is "somewhat immune"? Sorry, but either equipment is certified immune or it is not. I don't think you're ever likely to see a placard stating "THE EQUIPMENT IN THIS AIRCRAFT IS SOMEWHAT FM-IMMUNE"
In some aircraft, I grant you, it will be less of a problem than others. However, unless the CAA grant exceptions based on every airframe in the country (and every pilot's level of ability and experience) then they are naturally going to go for the safe course.
Maoraigh appears to have nothing in his aircraft but a single Nav unit - no VOR/ILS receiver, no ADF, no transponder and no pilot to get distracted from his #1 priority - flying the aircraft.
"Unexpected" PPR? Perhaps a little more prior planning and preparation might be of assistance in preventing pi55-poor performance.
GPS doesn't transmit, so will not be a problem to the aircraft equipment.
"somewhat immune"? What is "somewhat immune"? Sorry, but either equipment is certified immune or it is not. I don't think you're ever likely to see a placard stating "THE EQUIPMENT IN THIS AIRCRAFT IS SOMEWHAT FM-IMMUNE"
In some aircraft, I grant you, it will be less of a problem than others. However, unless the CAA grant exceptions based on every airframe in the country (and every pilot's level of ability and experience) then they are naturally going to go for the safe course.
Maoraigh appears to have nothing in his aircraft but a single Nav unit - no VOR/ILS receiver, no ADF, no transponder and no pilot to get distracted from his #1 priority - flying the aircraft.
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Using a mobile whie airborne is illegal - and flags up because it locks onto numerous relay stations instead of just one. Make a habit of this and you're likely to be traced, and when caught you'll not get a slap on the wrist. Breaking the Wireless Telegraphy regs is treated very seriously, and would likely involve a seperate action from the CAA for all the other offences/safety breaches you've committed.
As for the irresponsibility - the utter stupidity of doing this while flying - well, my mind just boggles. Listening to music ditto. If you think it's OK to do this what other idiocy do you indulge in whilst flying? Which of the other rules and regs do you think you can arbitarily exempt yourself from? What's up with an ego so huge and self-obsessed that it thinks it needs to make a telephone call from an aeroplane, instead of waiting a few minutes?
Saaad.
I can only say that I hope and pray you'll be caught. People who do this sort of thing are just not responsible enough the be allowed within a country mile of an aeroplane.
It's no wonder PPLs sometimes get a bad reputation when this sort of thing is being discussed on a "Professional" pilot's forum. Shame on you.
As for the irresponsibility - the utter stupidity of doing this while flying - well, my mind just boggles. Listening to music ditto. If you think it's OK to do this what other idiocy do you indulge in whilst flying? Which of the other rules and regs do you think you can arbitarily exempt yourself from? What's up with an ego so huge and self-obsessed that it thinks it needs to make a telephone call from an aeroplane, instead of waiting a few minutes?
Saaad.
I can only say that I hope and pray you'll be caught. People who do this sort of thing are just not responsible enough the be allowed within a country mile of an aeroplane.
It's no wonder PPLs sometimes get a bad reputation when this sort of thing is being discussed on a "Professional" pilot's forum. Shame on you.
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I'm not saying the good Captain and the Pompous Fungus are wrong about the illegality, but could someone point to the document which says it is illegal for aircrew to make a call whilst in flight ? Particularly when experiencing radio failure or some other calamity ?
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I have had discussions before with Transair about their products - notably headset adaptors, but also ID lanyards with no safety break, and various others.
Sorry, but they're not a very responsible company - althought they sold me a very nice leather jacket.
I agree 100% with Agaricus' post.
There are too many PPL's with very lax attitudes to flying, thinking they know the bl00dy lot and that the rules don't apply to them.
If anyone reading this thinks "What a load of tosh", then YOU are part of the problem. You are a lousy ambassador for flying, and YOU need to clean up your attitude and professionalism.
I can just see some people here flying along with "Highway to the Danger Zone" top blast in his ears thinking he's a top gun. A couple of weeks ago I watched aghast as a PPL sat himself in a 172, inserted his iPod earphones, then put his headset on over the top and started up and taxyed off.
The mind boggles.
Sorry, but they're not a very responsible company - althought they sold me a very nice leather jacket.
I agree 100% with Agaricus' post.
There are too many PPL's with very lax attitudes to flying, thinking they know the bl00dy lot and that the rules don't apply to them.
If anyone reading this thinks "What a load of tosh", then YOU are part of the problem. You are a lousy ambassador for flying, and YOU need to clean up your attitude and professionalism.
I can just see some people here flying along with "Highway to the Danger Zone" top blast in his ears thinking he's a top gun. A couple of weeks ago I watched aghast as a PPL sat himself in a 172, inserted his iPod earphones, then put his headset on over the top and started up and taxyed off.
The mind boggles.
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Well said Capt Stable.
Perhaps with this rabid attention to the rules you should edit GASIL. Should reduce its readership to 1.
Your ignorance of the effects of GPS receivers is surprising - perhaps you are waiting for some legislative guidance?
Breaking the wireless telephony regs? Oh please. The expensive Radiocommunications Agency are unable to enforce commercial broadcasting rules - where transmitters genuinely pose a threat.
Making a phone call from less than 3000 ft is no different to being on a hill (well not in this neck of the woods) - from 10,000 ft it might lock up multiple cells but there are technical issues to ensure this does not happen. Was a problem 15 years ago though..... When the world was a simpler place and yuo could still send telegrams
As for the rest of these rants - typical Pprune really - do not deal with the issue simply try and shoot the messenger
Were either of you two responsible for the FM immune nonsense that resulted in such expense for so many owners?
Perhaps with this rabid attention to the rules you should edit GASIL. Should reduce its readership to 1.
Your ignorance of the effects of GPS receivers is surprising - perhaps you are waiting for some legislative guidance?
Breaking the wireless telephony regs? Oh please. The expensive Radiocommunications Agency are unable to enforce commercial broadcasting rules - where transmitters genuinely pose a threat.
Making a phone call from less than 3000 ft is no different to being on a hill (well not in this neck of the woods) - from 10,000 ft it might lock up multiple cells but there are technical issues to ensure this does not happen. Was a problem 15 years ago though..... When the world was a simpler place and yuo could still send telegrams
As for the rest of these rants - typical Pprune really - do not deal with the issue simply try and shoot the messenger
Were either of you two responsible for the FM immune nonsense that resulted in such expense for so many owners?
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OK, gasax - you consider that the rules don't apply to you, and you will pick and choose which ones you decide to obey.
You are a disgrace. I hope that nobody I know ever has the misfortune to fly with you. You are an accident waiting to happen. When it does happen, I hope and pray that there are no unfortunate passengers killed alongside you.
You are a disgrace. I hope that nobody I know ever has the misfortune to fly with you. You are an accident waiting to happen. When it does happen, I hope and pray that there are no unfortunate passengers killed alongside you.
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Hugh, ypour post is as offensive as it is unnecessary. How dare you call someone upholding the law, standards and safety pompous?
You, sir, like yourcolleague gasax, are an ignorant prig.
A prig because you clearly think you are above the law, and have a bad attitude towards it, even when it is manifestly obvious that you are in the wrong, yet still think it smart to argue like a chav car thief that you don't believe it bcause no one has shown it you in writing. The law says NO, end of. There is no discussion because you think you can argue a personal exemption.
Wise up.
Ignorant, because of your telling remark about radio failure/calamity. Are you really a pilot? I doubt it , somehow.
Reason?
Any proper pilot has read the ANO - heard of it?
And what does the ANO say about obeying rules in cases of emergency?
Well, what???
I'm not going to give you a reference - go look it up, and then, if you're man enough, come back here and apologise.
I maight have added daft, or worse too. Why?
Transair selling them. Think about it, go on, try!
It is illegal to shoot people, but guns can be held legally. You can buy a bottle of scotch, but up to you if you drive afterwards... and, as someone said above, they can be used by passengers. Ain't rocket science, is it?
Du'oh!
Please, stay on the ground! You're doing aviation no favours at all coming out with woolly-minded crap like this.
You, sir, like yourcolleague gasax, are an ignorant prig.
A prig because you clearly think you are above the law, and have a bad attitude towards it, even when it is manifestly obvious that you are in the wrong, yet still think it smart to argue like a chav car thief that you don't believe it bcause no one has shown it you in writing. The law says NO, end of. There is no discussion because you think you can argue a personal exemption.
Wise up.
Ignorant, because of your telling remark about radio failure/calamity. Are you really a pilot? I doubt it , somehow.
Reason?
Any proper pilot has read the ANO - heard of it?
And what does the ANO say about obeying rules in cases of emergency?
Well, what???
I'm not going to give you a reference - go look it up, and then, if you're man enough, come back here and apologise.
I maight have added daft, or worse too. Why?
Transair selling them. Think about it, go on, try!
It is illegal to shoot people, but guns can be held legally. You can buy a bottle of scotch, but up to you if you drive afterwards... and, as someone said above, they can be used by passengers. Ain't rocket science, is it?
Du'oh!
Please, stay on the ground! You're doing aviation no favours at all coming out with woolly-minded crap like this.
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Victor Meldrew squared!
Well for bombastic *******y you have me completely beaten. I suggest you stick to debates on whether its "finals" or "final" in that radio call. Suitably important stuff where any technical knowledge is irrelevent!
Well for bombastic *******y you have me completely beaten. I suggest you stick to debates on whether its "finals" or "final" in that radio call. Suitably important stuff where any technical knowledge is irrelevent!
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Anti-Authority
As a brand new PPL i still remember the Human Factors & Flight Safety part of the syllabus:
"An attitude of being anti-authority will lead a person to regularly break rules and procedures for no very obvious reason. He or she may recent being told what to do, or may simply feel that rules and regulations are unnecessary or should not apply to him as an individual."
.....
"He generally dislike any outside interference with what he sees his 'right' to fly in any fashion he likes. All this ignores the simple truth that the vast majority of aviation rules and procedures are only enacted after a great deal of thought, and usually as a result of lessons learnt painfully by others."
Taken from J. Pratts pilot's Licence Course
"An attitude of being anti-authority will lead a person to regularly break rules and procedures for no very obvious reason. He or she may recent being told what to do, or may simply feel that rules and regulations are unnecessary or should not apply to him as an individual."
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"He generally dislike any outside interference with what he sees his 'right' to fly in any fashion he likes. All this ignores the simple truth that the vast majority of aviation rules and procedures are only enacted after a great deal of thought, and usually as a result of lessons learnt painfully by others."
Taken from J. Pratts pilot's Licence Course