PPL training /SFH in South Africa
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You can fly in the UK on a SA PPL
Hi Guys
If you want to fly in the UK on a SA PPL it is possible without very much hassle provided your SA PPL is current and same goes for your medical as well.
Most schools/clubs will usually want to give you a check ride before signing you out solo. I know as I have done it.
There is a cracking site already plugged but for the avoidance of doubt its: www.uksa.flyer.co.uk It certainly answers most questions on this subject
Having spent ages researching the subject I would only convert to a JAA PPL if you intended to start adding ratings to your licence in the UK i.e. Night Qualification & IMC Rating which is something they don't have in SA.
If your ultimate aim is a JAR CPL/IR (Frozen ATPL) and you're doing the modular route then all you need is an ICAO PPL to start your CPL/ATPL course.
Finally on all these threads someone will have had a bad experience with a particular school and yet there will be others that had a great time. Success isn't just about the school but about you.
If you want to fly in the UK on a SA PPL it is possible without very much hassle provided your SA PPL is current and same goes for your medical as well.
Most schools/clubs will usually want to give you a check ride before signing you out solo. I know as I have done it.
There is a cracking site already plugged but for the avoidance of doubt its: www.uksa.flyer.co.uk It certainly answers most questions on this subject
Having spent ages researching the subject I would only convert to a JAA PPL if you intended to start adding ratings to your licence in the UK i.e. Night Qualification & IMC Rating which is something they don't have in SA.
If your ultimate aim is a JAR CPL/IR (Frozen ATPL) and you're doing the modular route then all you need is an ICAO PPL to start your CPL/ATPL course.
Finally on all these threads someone will have had a bad experience with a particular school and yet there will be others that had a great time. Success isn't just about the school but about you.
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Recommendations in Cape Town?
I shall be visiting Cape Town for a few days in September. Anyone have any aviating recommendations (excluding Thunder City)?
Mike
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I flew from Stellenbosch Flying Club. I had to take an instructor because I'd not yet finished my PPL when I was there. There was nothing particularly special about the club, though they were very friendly, the instructor was good and the plane was fine. But what a place to fly! We flew over downtown Cape Town, did a transit over the international airport, over the harbour, over some islands, round Cape Point and along the beach at about 50'. Including the instructor it was about 50 pounds/hour. The landing fee was about 50p.
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Capetown
Hi Mike
Re Capetown -
There are a couple of clubs in Capetown itself right on the airport
the problem there is that you have to wait for the heavy metal
to take off/land and 40 mins is not unusual !
I've flowm (also as a student ) at Stellenbosch , I agree there is nothing special about the club -its not a school as such ! The setting is fantastic ,so go and have alook anyway , if you want a real nice b & b PM me and I'll give you details .
However I was recently in SA and on recomendation I extended my trip a few days and jumped on a plane to Port Elizabeth
and went to Algoa Flight Centre - This was EXCELLENT .
PE is used by SAA so you're in between 737's etc but the
ATC's are just great and fit you in !
OK PE isnt the same as Capetown , but if you're flying -who cares
If you need more info -just PM or type in 'Algoa' on the search here !!
Good Luck ........
Foggles
Re Capetown -
There are a couple of clubs in Capetown itself right on the airport
the problem there is that you have to wait for the heavy metal
to take off/land and 40 mins is not unusual !
I've flowm (also as a student ) at Stellenbosch , I agree there is nothing special about the club -its not a school as such ! The setting is fantastic ,so go and have alook anyway , if you want a real nice b & b PM me and I'll give you details .
However I was recently in SA and on recomendation I extended my trip a few days and jumped on a plane to Port Elizabeth
and went to Algoa Flight Centre - This was EXCELLENT .
PE is used by SAA so you're in between 737's etc but the
ATC's are just great and fit you in !
OK PE isnt the same as Capetown , but if you're flying -who cares
If you need more info -just PM or type in 'Algoa' on the search here !!
Good Luck ........
Foggles
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UK agents
sanjo69:
That's a very sweeping statement. Do you have any experience of any other agents apart from the one you mention?
You also say that the best way to use training in South Africa towards a JAA PPL is to train to solo standard under SA rules then come back and complete in the UK. Unfortunately that's not possible. To obtain a JAA PPL you must complete a minimum of 25hrs dual and 10hrs solo in the JAA state which will issue your licence. So only 10hrs flown in SA will count towards the minimum 45 for the licence. When you take the air fare into account it's not worth going to SA just to fly 10hrs.
Be very careful in accepting packages from UK based agents
You also say that the best way to use training in South Africa towards a JAA PPL is to train to solo standard under SA rules then come back and complete in the UK. Unfortunately that's not possible. To obtain a JAA PPL you must complete a minimum of 25hrs dual and 10hrs solo in the JAA state which will issue your licence. So only 10hrs flown in SA will count towards the minimum 45 for the licence. When you take the air fare into account it's not worth going to SA just to fly 10hrs.
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Thanks for the info guys.
I think it will just be a bit of a jolly with an instructor. Flying for the purpose of sightseeing more than anything more serious.
We apparantly have a helicopter ride round Table Bay as part of the activities, which should be good.
Mike
I think it will just be a bit of a jolly with an instructor. Flying for the purpose of sightseeing more than anything more serious.
We apparantly have a helicopter ride round Table Bay as part of the activities, which should be good.
Mike
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I can heartily recommend the Good Hope Flying Club - I have flown on several occasions with them including some pre-CPL hour building.
www.ghfc.org.za
If you've already done the Cape trip in the helo, get the instructor to either take you to Worcester via Voelvlei or up the coast to the Langebaan Lagoons. Spectacular.
www.ghfc.org.za
If you've already done the Cape trip in the helo, get the instructor to either take you to Worcester via Voelvlei or up the coast to the Langebaan Lagoons. Spectacular.
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Algoa Flying Club
You have lots of flight schools around the PE area - Algoa is small, professional and gets you through the course quickly - I did my com there in 1995 and still keep in touch. Can't recomend them enough. They also have an excellent bar where you can of course learns loads - good luck.
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It is very simple to convert an SA ppl to JAA.
Get Sa PPL
Build up to 100 hrs TT
Come home
Sit law and met(i think)
get JAA medical
Send off to CAA
Bingo!
It is simple, don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
CFA are very good.
Do a search on FTC.
SK
Get Sa PPL
Build up to 100 hrs TT
Come home
Sit law and met(i think)
get JAA medical
Send off to CAA
Bingo!
It is simple, don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
CFA are very good.
Do a search on FTC.
SK
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oh-o.... lots of:
(a) accurate information that is being misunderstood
and
(b) inaccurate information that sounds believable
NorthSouth is quite correct that if you go and take lessons but do not get a licence (ie: you do some proportion of the foreign licence course but not finish and actually get the licence) and then arrive back in the UK, you can only claim max 10 hours credit towards a JAA PPL course. This is unfortunately being misread or misunderstood by some, but NorthSouth is correct and accurate as wha tis written concerns someone just taking training abroad and not getting a foreign licence.
On the other hand, if you come back with a SA PPL, it is automatically validated for private use in this country without formality. You will therefore be legal to fly here, but hopefully you will take a few lessons on navigation around the UK or team up with local flyers to become accustomed to it. Rental checkouts will be required just like for everyone else. You NEED never convert to a JAA PPL. (Many don't, and others just fly here for a year or two on the SA PPL until they finally end up doing a JAA CPL course and never actually convert at PPL level)
If you WANT to convert to a JAA PPL from a valid SA PPL, you always need a JAA medical and you always need to pass the full initial PPL Skills Test (the big one, 2.25 hours approx including nav and general handling), no matter how many hours you have. The only difference your hours make is to decide whether you have to do ALL JAA ground exams (under 100 hours experience) or only two of them (Air Law and Human performance). Only those 2 are required in the ground exam department if you have 100 hours total or more, but you STILL need the flying test, medical etc. Your foreign PPL needs to be current at the time of conversion to JAA too whenever you apply.
(a) accurate information that is being misunderstood
and
(b) inaccurate information that sounds believable
NorthSouth is quite correct that if you go and take lessons but do not get a licence (ie: you do some proportion of the foreign licence course but not finish and actually get the licence) and then arrive back in the UK, you can only claim max 10 hours credit towards a JAA PPL course. This is unfortunately being misread or misunderstood by some, but NorthSouth is correct and accurate as wha tis written concerns someone just taking training abroad and not getting a foreign licence.
On the other hand, if you come back with a SA PPL, it is automatically validated for private use in this country without formality. You will therefore be legal to fly here, but hopefully you will take a few lessons on navigation around the UK or team up with local flyers to become accustomed to it. Rental checkouts will be required just like for everyone else. You NEED never convert to a JAA PPL. (Many don't, and others just fly here for a year or two on the SA PPL until they finally end up doing a JAA CPL course and never actually convert at PPL level)
If you WANT to convert to a JAA PPL from a valid SA PPL, you always need a JAA medical and you always need to pass the full initial PPL Skills Test (the big one, 2.25 hours approx including nav and general handling), no matter how many hours you have. The only difference your hours make is to decide whether you have to do ALL JAA ground exams (under 100 hours experience) or only two of them (Air Law and Human performance). Only those 2 are required in the ground exam department if you have 100 hours total or more, but you STILL need the flying test, medical etc. Your foreign PPL needs to be current at the time of conversion to JAA too whenever you apply.
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Self hire in South Africa
I can't see any evidence of G-Reg or N-Reg aircraft in South African flight schools or private owners offering self hire for private pilots.
Can anyone give me relevant links of where I might find either american or british aircraft (preferably around Johannesburg)?
Thanks
Can anyone give me relevant links of where I might find either american or british aircraft (preferably around Johannesburg)?
Thanks
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I suggest you do a SA validation, as I don't think you'll find any N or G reg aircraft for hire.
FTC at Midrand can do this fairly quickly (on a good day), they are just N of Jo'burg about 2 min.s off the Pretoria Motorway.
This link has some useful gen:
http://www.hang-out.co.uk/light%20ai...annesburg.html
The prices may have changed but it's still half the UK rate.
Lots of places to rent from around Gauteng
FTC at Midrand can do this fairly quickly (on a good day), they are just N of Jo'burg about 2 min.s off the Pretoria Motorway.
This link has some useful gen:
http://www.hang-out.co.uk/light%20ai...annesburg.html
The prices may have changed but it's still half the UK rate.
Lots of places to rent from around Gauteng
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Definitely do an SA Validation.
FTC @ Grand Central Airport, Midrand may not be the best place to do it with. Unless they have improved.
CFA, also in GC apt., have a good reputation.
There are also schools in Lanseria, Rand and Wonderboom.
Happy flying
FB
FTC @ Grand Central Airport, Midrand may not be the best place to do it with. Unless they have improved.
CFA, also in GC apt., have a good reputation.
There are also schools in Lanseria, Rand and Wonderboom.
Happy flying
FB
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If I validate my PPL in South Africa, will I also be able to exercise my Night Rating privileges on the South African licence or will that involve spending more hours at night there?
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The SA night qualification is a 15 hour course, not like our 5 hour rating, more like our IMC.
If you only have a night rating I don't think you will be able to carry it onto a SA validation.
I was under the impression that I could fly at night because I had an IMC and a night rating.
Flying around the bush at night in a single engined aeroplane is not recommended by most people I met.
I'm sure one of the SA trained pilots can help you with the accurate details.
FB
If you only have a night rating I don't think you will be able to carry it onto a SA validation.
I was under the impression that I could fly at night because I had an IMC and a night rating.
Flying around the bush at night in a single engined aeroplane is not recommended by most people I met.
I'm sure one of the SA trained pilots can help you with the accurate details.
FB
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Learning to fly in South Africa
Has anyone obtained their ATPL from a flight school in SA, if so, where? Have you any advice for an aspiring pilot who wishes to learn there?
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Yes, I am in the same boat also, could anyone advise on which flight schools to look at in RSA?
Ive been browsing for a while, so have a basic idea of whats going on, and the pros and cons of flying in RSA, but just wonder if someone whos "been there and done that" could give a couple of pointers...
Ive been browsing for a while, so have a basic idea of whats going on, and the pros and cons of flying in RSA, but just wonder if someone whos "been there and done that" could give a couple of pointers...
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www.43airschool.com
Did CPL/ME/IR there during 1999/2000, good setup, very professional and great learning environment.
CM
Did CPL/ME/IR there during 1999/2000, good setup, very professional and great learning environment.
CM
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SA PPL to JAA PPL
Hi all,
I am looking to do my PPL at FTC in South Africa in 2004. I was wondering what the general view on that school was? They look very professional. What is the environment there like? Is it a 'shorts and T-shirt' environment or a 'white shirt and braid' style?
What happens when I get back to the UK? How do I convert my SA PPL into a JAA
PPL? What are the costs? Also, if I got my class 1 at Gatwick, is that medical valid at FTC as they are a CAA approved school? Come to think of it, isn't FTC's PPL course JAA anyway??? If I enrol on the JAA PPL course I wont have to convert when I get back will I?
Help much appreciated.
Richard
I am looking to do my PPL at FTC in South Africa in 2004. I was wondering what the general view on that school was? They look very professional. What is the environment there like? Is it a 'shorts and T-shirt' environment or a 'white shirt and braid' style?
What happens when I get back to the UK? How do I convert my SA PPL into a JAA
PPL? What are the costs? Also, if I got my class 1 at Gatwick, is that medical valid at FTC as they are a CAA approved school? Come to think of it, isn't FTC's PPL course JAA anyway??? If I enrol on the JAA PPL course I wont have to convert when I get back will I?
Help much appreciated.
Richard