Manchester Low Level Route
Well done Okavango, hope you enjoyed the flight 
Ignore the earlier stupid comment re GPS - its all very well advising people to follow the "Old Sankey canal" when you live in and know the area as magpienja evidently does - quite something else when you're not local and faced with umpteen waterways including the river Mersey, the Leeds Liverpool canal and the Manchester ship canal 
Ignore the earlier stupid comment re GPS - its all very well advising people to follow the "Old Sankey canal" when you live in and know the area as magpienja evidently does - quite something else when you're not local and faced with umpteen waterways including the river Mersey, the Leeds Liverpool canal and the Manchester ship canal
GPS
Why cannot some old f..ts realise that GPS is now the primary means of nav for most of us in light aircraft. GPS to maintain track, with a map backup, not the other way around. In public transport IFR ops it is normally the sole means of airways flight.
I cannot remember when I last manually tuned a VHF NAV aid, except the ILS to land, in the jet aircraft I fly in my day job.
In the case of the Manchester LLR etc. GPS waypoints should be published, as are most VRPS on our topo maps, that would make for a far safer operation.
GPS Aproaches??? Don't get me started! In the USA there are now 1500+ stand alone GPS procedures, all using the same satelites and nav equipment we use in UK.
(Usual caveats apply regarding hand held GPS and up to date data-base etc.)
I cannot remember when I last manually tuned a VHF NAV aid, except the ILS to land, in the jet aircraft I fly in my day job.
In the case of the Manchester LLR etc. GPS waypoints should be published, as are most VRPS on our topo maps, that would make for a far safer operation.
GPS Aproaches??? Don't get me started! In the USA there are now 1500+ stand alone GPS procedures, all using the same satelites and nav equipment we use in UK.
(Usual caveats apply regarding hand held GPS and up to date data-base etc.)
In the case of the Manchester LLR etc. GPS waypoints should be published, as are most VRPS on our topo maps, that would make for a far safer operation.
As to navigating the LLR by GPS. Well, let's face it, if you have a valuable tool available that you find works for you then why not? Speaking from the position of an 'old fart' I know the route well and navigate it visually but....I've got my Garmin 296 set with the route and a plog as well. I like to have a card up my sleeve.
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Cessnapete: Speaking as an old fart, you're right that GPS seems a lot more sensible, and it may well be that the reason it hasn't been adopted is that the CAA is also populated with people similar to myself. I do think though that you really need to teach people how to fly a heading and if you fly on GPS as your primary aid there's a very strong temptation to track-crawl and spend too much time head-down.
As to Manch LLR nav methods, I always go (southbound) Reebok Stadium to Leigh Flash then track the Whitegate NDB. Might be cheating but it works for me.
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As to Manch LLR nav methods, I always go (southbound) Reebok Stadium to Leigh Flash then track the Whitegate NDB. Might be cheating but it works for me.
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Speaking as an fart even older than some in the CAA.....
I put in two GPS waypoints, fly relative to the line on heading mode and look (and listen) outside for conflicting traffic on the appropriate frequency while squawking mode C . I also use the TCAS in an appropriate way to enhance my own traffic awareness.
I therefore don't have to worry about navigation and it's surely safer because I'm not tied up eyes looking at a chart, or for ground features.
I put in two GPS waypoints, fly relative to the line on heading mode and look (and listen) outside for conflicting traffic on the appropriate frequency while squawking mode C . I also use the TCAS in an appropriate way to enhance my own traffic awareness.
I therefore don't have to worry about navigation and it's surely safer because I'm not tied up eyes looking at a chart, or for ground features.
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A friend has asked to come on a flight with me and has asked if we can fly over his house.
His house is about 1 mile north west of haydock park racecourse. I'm just checking that I would be allowed to circle over his house to convince a non flyer that the trip is worth £40 (providing I have a good look out for any aircraft around). I got thrown off when reading the NATS guide.
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His house is about 1 mile north west of haydock park racecourse. I'm just checking that I would be allowed to circle over his house to convince a non flyer that the trip is worth £40 (providing I have a good look out for any aircraft around). I got thrown off when reading the NATS guide.
Thanks.
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Just give LPL radar a call on 119.850 ak for a basic service giving them your intentions , they wont have a problem with it , judging by where oyu want to go , set up for SSC circling aorund your mates house , the wind may just put you inside their zone , so just give them a quick shout and let them know they will be fine with it . Only prob you will have is if all the RYR's and sleazys are returning or leaving in which case you wont get a word in edgeways.
I recently had to take some piccies of Burtonwood , it really is no issue .
have fun
I recently had to take some piccies of Burtonwood , it really is no issue .
have fun
