Checkride - count as PIC?

[Lightning6]

SoCal App...A bit of thread drift going on here (nothing new), I agree with you about the standard of training (prepare for flack from FI's) a lot of FI's these days are just hour builders, in my day (God I feel old!) FI,s were, in my experience, dedicated to their job. You ask the average FI now to teach you spin recovery, most of them haven't had enough training themselves! Ask them a simple question about what to put in the 'holders operating capacity' column...Well!!...So I do agree with you, although bose-x could have been a bit more polite.

[jamestkirk]

PintofT

As far as I know for a check ride. If your PPL is current then there is no reason why you cannot log P1 with an instructor. With the usual he/she not touching controls etc, bla, etc.

Ask the FI, as if they have loads of hours it wont matter to them. If they are trying to become un-restricted it may.

Dont log P1/S as stated in other posts.

I am not saying this about your club but some clubs/schools are not aware of the details. Have a look at lasors to put your mind at rest.

[Lightning6]

Mmmm...jamestkirk...If you are converting from type to type, surely it has to be PI/S, I've done a google to find out what to log for what, and couldn't find anything conclusive, I've looked on the CAA site, gave up in the end! Back, after my training, when converting to type, I was always told to book it as PI/S.

[BackPacker]

I've done a google to find out what to log for what, and couldn't find anything conclusive, I've looked on the CAA site, gave up in the end!

LASORS section A, appendix B. That's page 74 in LASORS 2008.

[Lightning6]

Thanks BackPacker...A more relevant bit on page 78:-

"Pilot under instruction for
the purpose of gaining a
licence or rating, or for
conversion to an aircraft
type within an aircraft rating
group or class.
P/UT Enter time in ‘Dual’ column."

But that's JAR, after my day :-)

[S-Works]

So....erm...er, in the event of a successful flight test, the candidate is P1s, and the examiner is P1?

Doesn't that make two P ones? or is one pilot P1 and the other one a super dooper P1?

Nope, it makes one pilot in command (the examiner) and one pilot in command under supervision. Under supervision but not under training.

This is the only time this exceptional circumstance is allowed in single pilot aircraft.

[S-Works]

Mmmm...jamestkirk...If you are converting from type to type, surely it has to be PI/S, I've done a google to find out what to log for what, and couldn't find anything conclusive, I've looked on the CAA site, gave up in the end! Back, after my training, when converting to type, I was always told to book it as PI/S.

And you were told incorrectly by an Instructor who clearly had no idea what they were talking about. The regulations on when P1/s is used in SINGLE PILOT aircraft are VERY clear. A checkout with an Instructor is not P1/S. It is either P1 or PUT nothing else.

It is also not a JAR thing, it was also an old CAA thing.....

Opening a new can of worms is the times when someone should be P1 and therefore the Instructor logs nothing. If converting between types in a class it is training and the Instructor is P1. If I am just running someone around the circuit a couple of times for club or syndicate 28 day rules then I log nothing as I am not there teaching. Other Instructors may insist they are P1 all the time, it is there prerogative. Personally I gave up caring about the hours long ago.

[PintofT]

Thanks for the help.

[FatFlyer]

I was recently at the CAA waiting for a licence renewal, when an unhappy applicant was sent away to correct his logbook as he had claimed P1/s for a number of hours on a single crew plane when he was not undergoing a test for the issue or renewal of a licence or rating.
Going from a 172 to a PA28 is not a type conversion requiring an official test as they are both SEP however much sense it may be to have some training.

[jamestkirk]

CAA

I went down there to get un-restricted FI and the lady behind the counter said 'how can you be supervising the student when your not with him in the aeroplane'. And 'you were not even at the same airport'.