Once is stupid, twice is irresponsible.
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Once is stupid, twice is irresponsible.
At lunch today, (house on the beach in Norfolk) and, for the second time in a fortnight, a low wing single flew past BELOW bedroom height.
If the mental retard who was in the pilot's seat in this aircraft reads this - you are neither clever nor accomplished and you are placing yourself (utterly unimportant) and others in danger. When you eventually kill yourself (and you will!) one can but hope that you don't take some other(s) with you.
If you ever unscramble your limited intellect and see your actions for what they are - self-indulgent childishness - perhaps you would consider joining the flying community and becoming professional, in behaviour if not in employment. PRAT
If the mental retard who was in the pilot's seat in this aircraft reads this - you are neither clever nor accomplished and you are placing yourself (utterly unimportant) and others in danger. When you eventually kill yourself (and you will!) one can but hope that you don't take some other(s) with you.
If you ever unscramble your limited intellect and see your actions for what they are - self-indulgent childishness - perhaps you would consider joining the flying community and becoming professional, in behaviour if not in employment. PRAT
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How far?? Too close, is how far.
What is with this particular form of idiocy? The military do it because they HAVE to, If, as in this case, it is private flight, it is pointless, valueless and putting people's lives at risk for no good purpose. It becomes yet another of the plethora of 'look at me' activities which characterise so many pastimes. It's not clever, requires little skill and demonstrates little forethought as to the potential consequences. It is on a par with the mindless little toerags who believe that making tyre marks on public roads is some form of accomplishment. Flying is, or should be, an activity requiring planning, training and the application of public responsibility. It's not some sort of playtime activity for those with undeveloped social skills and demonstrable immaturity.
close, is how far. What is with this particular form of idiocy? The military do it because they HAVE to, If, as in this case, it is private flight, it is pointless, valueless and putting people's lives at risk for no good purpose. It becomes yet another of the plethora of 'look at me' activities which characterise so many pastimes. It's not clever, requires little skill and demonstrates little forethought as to the potential consequences. It is on a par with the mindless little toerags who believe that making tyre marks on public roads is some form of accomplishment. Flying is, or should be, an activity requiring planning, training and the application of public responsibility. It's not some sort of playtime activity for those with undeveloped social skills and demonstrable immaturity.
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Sure he wasn't landing or taking off? AFAIK there is nothing stopping you from randomly landing/taking off on a beach.
Had a Bell 206 nearly trim the top of my tree a couple of months ago, but he was landing at the time in a field behind the house, so he wasn't breaking the law (the top of the tree is about 50-60 ft AGL).
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Had a Bell 206 nearly trim the top of my tree a couple of months ago, but he was landing at the time in a field behind the house, so he wasn't breaking the law (the top of the tree is about 50-60 ft AGL).
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The nearest airfield is 5 miles away. If he was going to land on this beach, or for many miles North or South he would have been flying something even more STOL than a Single Pioneer!! ... the groynes are about 100 yds apart!!
I say again PRAT!!
If you feel that I am being overly condemnatory, I would suggest that you try picking up the blood soaked personal effects of your predecessor-in-post who died as a result of just such stupidity... it might just add value to your viewpoint.
I say again PRAT!!
If you feel that I am being overly condemnatory, I would suggest that you try picking up the blood soaked personal effects of your predecessor-in-post who died as a result of just such stupidity... it might just add value to your viewpoint.
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The military do it because they HAVE to, If, as in this case, it is private flight, it is pointless, valueless and putting people's lives at risk for no good purpose.
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Dear Angry of Cromer
Totally irresponsible, houses should not be built on beaches in Norfolk or anywhere else for that matter!
I've been 'dive bombed' by Cherokees on Holkham beach, seen bi-planes fly up the Glaven valley below the trees. Good luck to them all. Just because a pilot might not be military or ex. does not necessarily mean his capabilities are diminished in any way.
Long may Norfolk remain the last free flying zone in the country where people don't report enjoyment at every opportunity in this pathetically over regulated nanny state.
I've been 'dive bombed' by Cherokees on Holkham beach, seen bi-planes fly up the Glaven valley below the trees. Good luck to them all. Just because a pilot might not be military or ex. does not necessarily mean his capabilities are diminished in any way.
Long may Norfolk remain the last free flying zone in the country where people don't report enjoyment at every opportunity in this pathetically over regulated nanny state.
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Well there are some low flying incidents that are insane beyond dispute.
Last summer I was 500 yards off a Pembrokeshire beach in a canoe, when a microlight appeared and flew so low over me that it left a wake in the sea. It then turned inland and flew low over the mass of people and kids on the beach. Then followed the beach paralleling the surf until disappearing round the next headland. How it missed the kids kites and the flocks of seagulls was a miracle. But 5 mins later the same microlight reappeared and did the same thing, in spite of my outraged fist waving. By the time I had paddled back to the beach quite a sizable gathering of angry people had assembled. It was with some trepidation that I announced that I was a pilot and that I had made a note of the aircraft registration and would immediately contact the authorities. The guy was eventually traced to a local airfield and the ATC officer formally requested me to provide evidence to prosecute the idiot. But there but for the grace of god... So I asked if I could talk with the offending pilot first. He turned out to be a freshly qualified micro PPL, who had bought his Icarus microlight, and wanted to play with his new toy. More money than sense, perhaps, but it had never entered his head that he had put unknown numbers of peoples lives at risk. I hope I did the right thing by giving him the sort of bollo..ing that my C.O would have done to me. Sadly aeroplanes are affordable toys for some people, and they need to have their attitudes adjusted before they kill someone.
Last summer I was 500 yards off a Pembrokeshire beach in a canoe, when a microlight appeared and flew so low over me that it left a wake in the sea. It then turned inland and flew low over the mass of people and kids on the beach. Then followed the beach paralleling the surf until disappearing round the next headland. How it missed the kids kites and the flocks of seagulls was a miracle. But 5 mins later the same microlight reappeared and did the same thing, in spite of my outraged fist waving. By the time I had paddled back to the beach quite a sizable gathering of angry people had assembled. It was with some trepidation that I announced that I was a pilot and that I had made a note of the aircraft registration and would immediately contact the authorities. The guy was eventually traced to a local airfield and the ATC officer formally requested me to provide evidence to prosecute the idiot. But there but for the grace of god... So I asked if I could talk with the offending pilot first. He turned out to be a freshly qualified micro PPL, who had bought his Icarus microlight, and wanted to play with his new toy. More money than sense, perhaps, but it had never entered his head that he had put unknown numbers of peoples lives at risk. I hope I did the right thing by giving him the sort of bollo..ing that my C.O would have done to me. Sadly aeroplanes are affordable toys for some people, and they need to have their attitudes adjusted before they kill someone.
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Not so long ago there was a notam out basically advising that the whole of the North Norfolk coast was to be regarded as an area of intense bird activity below, I think, 1000ft.
I can't find any reference to it now but I suspect that it's been incorporated into the half and quarter mill' charts.
Regardless of that, it's complete and utter madness to transit any beach at such low levels, the one's refered to especially as they are occupied by many different types of breeding and feeding birds year round.
Most of these birds don't give a toss about the ANO, and are more than capable of doing severe damage to any aircraft singularly, in pairs or flocks it signals the end if you become intimately aquainted.
Of course this isn't mandatory, but I dare say you'd have a job convincing your insurer that you'd have a valid claim if the worst happened.
I can't find any reference to it now but I suspect that it's been incorporated into the half and quarter mill' charts.
Regardless of that, it's complete and utter madness to transit any beach at such low levels, the one's refered to especially as they are occupied by many different types of breeding and feeding birds year round.
Most of these birds don't give a toss about the ANO, and are more than capable of doing severe damage to any aircraft singularly, in pairs or flocks it signals the end if you become intimately aquainted.
Of course this isn't mandatory, but I dare say you'd have a job convincing your insurer that you'd have a valid claim if the worst happened.
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but I dare say you'd have a job convincing your insurer that you'd have a valid claim if the worst happened.
I better remember that during every take off and every landing then...
Some people get so worked up and consider themselves the "aviation police" and just love to shop other people. I was canoeing along the coast from Lulworth Cove a year or so ago and this cub comes along pretty low. Lucky bugger I thought, must be great up there, so gave him a cheery wave...
There is stupid and then there is stupid. Stupid is trying to pull off a barrel roll over the airfield in a 172 with no training. Flying at 500' AGL is not - we all do it on every single flight. Flying at 200' is not stupid - against the law if you get close to someone I grant you, but then height is deceptive. 501' is not very high....
So with all due respect, get of your moral high horses and save all your ranting and raving for people who deserve to be ranted and raved at.....rather than someone flying along the beach at probably 500' (unless there is other proof available)...
Just MHO......
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The military do it because they HAVE to, If, as in this case, it is private flight, it is pointless, valueless and putting people's lives at risk for no good purpose.
The military do it because they HAVE to, If, as in this case, it is private flight, it is pointless, valueless and putting people's lives at risk for no good purpose.
Pointless, no, FUN is the point, valueless, no, experience is valuable, peoples lives at risk, are you sure they were? How many people were in his line of flight even, god forbid, within the 500ft limit?
OK so it was unusual, spectacular, different, so what?
I think we are regulated enough without doing it to each other.
When we see a mil a/c belting through a valley at low level, don't tell me you wouldn't like to be there.
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I agree that questionable flying is problematic at best.
But, as someone stated earlier, how far away was he/she?
Ans he/she may have been very experienced and fully ware of thier situation. And, obeying the law.
The point that someone made above about the new PPL microlight pilot is right. This sort of stuff is not for them. On the very odd (a bit over-confident student) occasion i took a PPL student low, about half a mile out to sea. They did not like it. I used to ask them questions about what would happen if???. Then quickly tell them not to push thier luck or ego's when they have a new brown book.
I am not defending or supporting the low level flyer in this post, but we should know the facts about the flight.
And don't be too harsh on Cornish Jack as it 'could' have been an illegal incident.
But, as someone stated earlier, how far away was he/she?
Ans he/she may have been very experienced and fully ware of thier situation. And, obeying the law.
The point that someone made above about the new PPL microlight pilot is right. This sort of stuff is not for them. On the very odd (a bit over-confident student) occasion i took a PPL student low, about half a mile out to sea. They did not like it. I used to ask them questions about what would happen if???. Then quickly tell them not to push thier luck or ego's when they have a new brown book.
I am not defending or supporting the low level flyer in this post, but we should know the facts about the flight.
And don't be too harsh on Cornish Jack as it 'could' have been an illegal incident.
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How was the pilot placing themselves and others in danger ? All your post suggests is that they were flying low which isn't, in itself, inherently dangerous. Perhaps a few details like whether it was over land or sea, whether they were flying illegally (i.e. breaching 500' rule), whether there were local obstructions, other flying, low viz, bird sanctuary, etc. would help paint a clearer picture.
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First of all, I admit I don't really know what this thread is about as nearly half the posts come from people in my killfile, but I suspect is something to do with some whinging bastard complaining that a plane flew so low it almost decapitated him, etc., etc.
Well, it takes all sorts and I agree that if you are 500ft or more away from person or object then you're legal as far as rule 5 (was it?) is concerned. I also agree that pathetic sad little idiots should try to get a life and all that. However, it concerns me that people here repeatedly mention flying "501ft away" as a licence to do what they please and sod the rest. Surely that is a misunderstanding on my part and everyone of us takes reasonable measures not to cause undue nuisance to other people in the air or on the ground? I mean, it doesn't take that much effort to fly a bit higher and farther if going along a crowded beach, or make a little detour if it looks like a festival or something is going on on the ground, or reduce power when overflying some villages, or try and avoid take offs and landings at intempestive times, or any of the other things we do out of consideration towards other people.
I believe in real life most of us understand that respect and tolerance go both ways, even though this thread might not necessarily show it.
Well, it takes all sorts and I agree that if you are 500ft or more away from person or object then you're legal as far as rule 5 (was it?) is concerned. I also agree that pathetic sad little idiots should try to get a life and all that. However, it concerns me that people here repeatedly mention flying "501ft away" as a licence to do what they please and sod the rest. Surely that is a misunderstanding on my part and everyone of us takes reasonable measures not to cause undue nuisance to other people in the air or on the ground? I mean, it doesn't take that much effort to fly a bit higher and farther if going along a crowded beach, or make a little detour if it looks like a festival or something is going on on the ground, or reduce power when overflying some villages, or try and avoid take offs and landings at intempestive times, or any of the other things we do out of consideration towards other people.
I believe in real life most of us understand that respect and tolerance go both ways, even though this thread might not necessarily show it.
