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I'm with Keygrip 100%...
the purpose of the PPL syllabus...and subsequent testing... is to ensure that you have a reasonable understnding of the subjects. To pass the writtens without understanding the underlying material is irresponsible..fact!
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I fully support both Keygrip and BoeingMEL.
There is nothing you can afford to leave out. Ensure you understand the subject as fully as possible. If you do that you will have no problem whatsoever passing the exams.
If you merely attempt to study what will come up in the exam you may pass, but your understanding will be flawed and incomplete. Believe me, that shortfall will, as sure as God made little apples, rise up later and bite you in the bum.
If you want to fly, don't do it half-heartedly. Do it properly or not at all. On several threads recently I've used the phrase "professionalism of attitude". I make no apologies for using it again. Get it, and maintain it, and you'll be a good pilot.
There is nothing you can afford to leave out. Ensure you understand the subject as fully as possible. If you do that you will have no problem whatsoever passing the exams.
If you merely attempt to study what will come up in the exam you may pass, but your understanding will be flawed and incomplete. Believe me, that shortfall will, as sure as God made little apples, rise up later and bite you in the bum.
If you want to fly, don't do it half-heartedly. Do it properly or not at all. On several threads recently I've used the phrase "professionalism of attitude". I make no apologies for using it again. Get it, and maintain it, and you'll be a good pilot.
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Hey Greg
If you have not already; you should visit the below site and download the .zip file. Its quite an informative program/presentation and should allow you to come to grips with ATSOCAS
If your planning to pass your exams on the basic level required shame on you! But, im sure the most probable case is that, like me, you are studying the subjects in depth not just to pass the exams but because of your overall interest in flying. In any-case, safe landings!
Best of luck,
Ryan
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If you have not already; you should visit the below site and download the .zip file. Its quite an informative program/presentation and should allow you to come to grips with ATSOCAS
If your planning to pass your exams on the basic level required shame on you! But, im sure the most probable case is that, like me, you are studying the subjects in depth not just to pass the exams but because of your overall interest in flying. In any-case, safe landings!
Best of luck,
Ryan
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BoeingMEL :-
And the purpose of those English comprehension classes, to which you obviously should have paid more attention, was to equip you to understand this comment from the OP :-
... but of course as a 'professional' pilot, one should never let the facts get in the way of a damn good burst of regurgitated cant, should one old bean ? What ? Good show ....
the purpose of the PPL syllabus...and subsequent testing... is to ensure that you have a reasonable understnding of the subjects. To pass the writtens without understanding the underlying material is irresponsible..fact!
DBChopper is of course completely right. I have read the Oxford Air Law book cover to cover, Pratt's text book and answered hundreds of questions on air law. I just wanted to make sure that I have everything covered.
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Hugh Jarse..
...you may sneer and snigger like a girl all you like.... but as former examiner and instructor I became heartily sick of young and youngish candidates/students who knew the answers but had little comprehension of the subjects. Now, quite a few PPLs go on to study for professional licences and just learning the answers is mightily bad practice... "Professional" means more than being paid! Common sense and good airmanship should be practiced from day one..period! I can count as personal friends a number of airline recruiters (LoCo and others) where quite searching questions are asked at interviews to assess the candidate's UNDERSTANDING of certain subjects. No question-bank answers to help on those occasions! I am not by nature a confrontational or pedantic guy..but those who read my posts will see that most are aimed at providing help and guidance for those who seek it or seem to need it. Rant over. bm
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I disagree with many, I think that there are two distinct things to do;
1. Get all the right information to enable you to pass the exam - use the confuser etc.
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2. Study the subjects properly to get an understanding of what it is really all about. You will find that as your training progresses you will become familiar with much more and you will start to understand how to use what you have learned.
The information you used to pass the exam will give you the grounding for your flying knowledge and it will get you flying - it does not mean that you are equipped with all the knowledge you will need to fly - it's an entrance exam!
1. Get all the right information to enable you to pass the exam - use the confuser etc.
Then
2. Study the subjects properly to get an understanding of what it is really all about. You will find that as your training progresses you will become familiar with much more and you will start to understand how to use what you have learned.
The information you used to pass the exam will give you the grounding for your flying knowledge and it will get you flying - it does not mean that you are equipped with all the knowledge you will need to fly - it's an entrance exam!
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Wrong on almost every count, funfly - and dangerously so.
Very poor advice. Have you not taken note of the qualifications and experience levels of the people with whom you are disagreeing?
Very poor advice. Have you not taken note of the qualifications and experience levels of the people with whom you are disagreeing?
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BoeingMel ...
"Snigger like a girl" ? Good grief ...
That alone tells me everything I need to know about you, I think ...
Anyway, the point is, you didn't read the OP's posts properly, you just got stuck in - wrongly - and all the blustering insults in the world can't disguise it.
What on Earth is with the advanced attack of "Meldrew mode" on this board at the moment ?
"Snigger like a girl" ? Good grief ...
That alone tells me everything I need to know about you, I think ...Anyway, the point is, you didn't read the OP's posts properly, you just got stuck in - wrongly - and all the blustering insults in the world can't disguise it.
What on Earth is with the advanced attack of "Meldrew mode" on this board at the moment ?
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Oh dear Hugh...
I did read the thread carefully...the detail and the general thrust.... I see no no error on my part and retract nothing. Aren't you the same Hugh who needed help from these forums to plan a route? Hmmm. OK..I'm done and out of here!
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"The information you used to pass the exam will give you the grounding for your flying knowledge and it will get you flying - it does not mean that you are equipped with all the knowledge you will need to fly."
Are you saying this is wrong?
Uh?
Are you saying this is wrong?
Uh?
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BoeingMEL :
I assume you're referring to this :-
Well, gosh ... I would have thought someone with so much instruction and examination experience would approve ... you see, when I did my licence, we were taught to brief as much as possible. Obviously, I don't have your vast experience, and I'm deeply ashamed to admit that in my pitiful 2,800+ hours private flying all over the world, I've never been VFR into Valencia ... sorry, MEL, I obviously have no place here with sky gods like you ...
And you honestly taught and examined ? Jeez ...
Aren't you the same Hugh who needed help from these forums to plan a route? Hmmm.
I'll be making a trip to Valencia in November for the MotoGP - does anyone have any advice on routes/local knowledge/procedures etc ? Almost definitely going VFR.
And you honestly taught and examined ? Jeez ...
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Mr. Jarse:-
There is nothing to imply that BoeingMEL's post of which you originally complained was aimed at the original poster. It was you who assumed that. As I read it, he aimed his post at others posting on this thread.
By sticking to your guns you are merely making a Hugh Jarse of yourself, as you have already on several other threads.
There is nothing to imply that BoeingMEL's post of which you originally complained was aimed at the original poster. It was you who assumed that. As I read it, he aimed his post at others posting on this thread.
By sticking to your guns you are merely making a Hugh Jarse of yourself, as you have already on several other threads.
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Dear Captain Stable (or "Con", as I prefer to think of you),
I know, I know, I just can't help myself - I'm on a mission to drive out intolerance and "Meldrew-ism" wherever I find it - I've ony got to hear a "harrumph" and the red mist descends !
Keep up the good work old chap !
Hugh
I know, I know, I just can't help myself - I'm on a mission to drive out intolerance and "Meldrew-ism" wherever I find it - I've ony got to hear a "harrumph" and the red mist descends !
Keep up the good work old chap !
Hugh
