JAR ppl flying in Floirda

[spicejetter]

Hi. I have a JAR PPL and CPL which I got in Florida. I also have a FAA PPL but itls our of currency. Can I still fly on my standalone jar ppl or do I need my docs released by
the caa? I'm getting conflicting advice and I'm at work so can't chexk faraim or lasors. Any advise? I'm flying out on Sunday so don't have time to wait for caa process

[mcgoo]

You can fly on your JAA license but if you want to fly PIC, you will need to use your FAA PPL, this doesn't expire, more than likely you will just need to do a BFR which if you are renting you most likely will have to do anyway.

Unless you mean your FAA PPL is a 'based on' license, eg based on your JAA PPL and now you have a CPL, in which case you will need to go through the process again.

[BackPacker]

The principle is that to fly an N-reg, you need a current FAA PPL or higher. This means having done a BFR, and having a current FAA medical. To fly a G-reg, you need a current JAA PPL,. This means that the license itself needs to be current (five-year renewal cycle for the PPL), the SEP rating needs to be current (two-year cycle) and your JAA medical needs to be current (cycle depends on your age).

In addition to this, both FAA and JAA specify that you need to have done three landings in the last 90 days if you want to fly with passengers.

The UK CAA has a blanked exception that if your FAA PPL (or higher) is valid and current, you can fly a G-reg on this, worldwide, but you are basically limited to PPL, Day VFR privileges.

And if your FAA license is somehow "based on" your JAA license (or the other way around), the whole house of cards needs to be valid and current.

By the way, you can't have both a JAA PPL and a JAA CPL, as far as I know. The CPL replaces the PPL once you passed all the CPL exams.

[Tediek]

What is the procedure to fly with a JAR PPL in the USA? I got my PPL in NL.

[BackPacker]

Tediek, you need to get your PPL validated by the FAA. This will involve the Dutch authorities. You are then issued an FAA PPL "based on" your JAA PPL, meaning that your FAA PPL will be valid as long as your JAA PPL + medical are valid. This last bit of paperwork is done at an FSDO, which is a field office of the FAA.

You then do a Biennial Flight Review with an FAA instructor, which is the FAA currency requirement and consists of an hour groundschool and an hour in the air, and you're good to go.

All information here:

Airmen Certification: Verify the Authenticity of a Foreign License, Rating, or Medical Certification

If you have more questions, open a separate thread. It's not really relevant to the OPs problem.

[B2N2]

You then do a Biennial Flight Review with an FAA instructor, which is the FAA currency requirement and consists of an hour groundschool and an hour in the air, and you're good to go

The legal requirement is a minimum of one hour ground school and one hour flight time.
If you have never flown in the US before and have no knowledge of US airspace, regulations and ATC services assume that you'll need a bit more.
You may need a couple of flights before they are comfortable renting to you.

[riqsid]

License renewal

I have a FAA PPL license but it is more than 3 years since i flew last. Now im back in my home country in Sri Lanka. I havnt done my conversion to Srilankan PPL also. Can anyone pls provide me with advise as to whther i will be able renew my FAA PPL license in Sri Lanka or any other close by country other than having to go to the US again.

I m so confused pls someone give me some advice

[BackPacker]

Riqsid, do you or do you not have a Sri Lankan PPL, and is this or is this not based on your FAA PPL? The way you write your post does not make this very clear.

In any case, to make your FAA PPL valid and current again you need to do a BFR. As above, that's a minimum one hour groundschool and a minimum one hour flight. If you haven't flown for three years, don't expect this to be enough. The BFR needs to be done with an FAA instructor but if you can find one in Sri Lanka or nearby you don't have to go to the US for that. The only thing that I'm not sure of is whether the BFR needs to be done on an N-reg. Anyone?

Furthermore, did you inform the FAA about your change of address? Failing that also invalidates your FAA PPL.

(And do you or do you not have a spell checker? )

[riqsid]

License renewal

No i dont have a Sri Lankan PPL. I went to USA to do my PPL but unluckily for me as soon as i finished my PPL, the school closed up. I could not shift to another school and finish up the rest of the flying because i lost all of the money with the closure of the school. I returned back home to Sri Lanka and now wish to do my CPL in South Africa. What do you think of South Africa for training? Before i can do the CPL i need to renew my FAA PPL, while i have been in contact with some schools in South Africa, they are telling me i have to do 15 flying hours ? seems to be unreasonable ain it ?

Thanks for the advice

[BackPacker]

Mmmm. Interesting question. In JAA-land, the entry for a CPL is any ICAO PPL, but I don't know if the same applies for SA or not.

If it does, then your FAA PPL (which is an ICAO PPL) is good enough to start CPL training. And since (as far as I know) there are no solo flights as part of the CPL syllabus, you never need to exercise the privileges of your FAA PPL to act as PIC. So the fact that your FAA PPL is not current right now (due to not having done a BFR in the last two years) would not matter.

I have no idea where the 15 hours come from. As far as the FAA PPL is concerned, the minimum time for a BFR is one hour groundschool and one hour in the air. In your case, not having flown for three years, you're probably looking at three to five hours in the air before the instructor will sign you off.

Are you sure the 15-hour quote was not for obtaining a standalone SA PPL? This might be a requirement if the entry for a SA CPL is a SA PPL, not just any ICAO PPL.

[riqsid]

ah ya i think it is for SA PPL. Thats then probably for the renewal as well as conversion no? Ok one more question. Is a CAA CPL or JAA CPL better?

Thanks alot sir for shedding some light to my confusion

[BackPacker]

Thats then probably for the renewal as well as conversion no?

I would think that that would be exclusively for the conversion to an SA PPL, NOT for the renewal of your FAA PPL. After all, once you have that SA PPL, you're going to use that as the entry for the SA CPL. You don't need the FAA PPL for that anymore. And since the 15 hours is probably all dual, you won't need the FAA PPL to exercise PIC privileges either.

Ok one more question. Is a CAA CPL or JAA CPL better?

FAA, JAA or SA CPL? It all depends on what/where you want to fly eventually.

Particularly if you want to fly commercially (maybe even with an ATPL in the future), in principle your license has to match the registration of the aircraft. Only within JAA land do you have the ability to mix&match. But there are exceptions to this, and exceptions to the exceptions. If you think converting from one PPL to another is confusing, try converting an ATPL (CPL+IR+ME+MCC+TR) into another, or flying commercially on a "rendered valid" foreign ATPL!

This is getting outside the realms of "private flying" though. If you want details on CPL level or higher, may I suggest you post a question in the "professional studies" forum?

[IO540]

To fly an N-reg plane in US airspace, the pilot must have a US license (FAA PPL CPL or ATPL).

The US license can be a standalone or piggyback (61.75) PPL.

The non-US license options are only good outside US airspace (see FAR 61.3) and subject to certain rules.

[riqsid]

license renewal

Thanx alot mate