Creation of a fund for those who cannot afford PPL
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I think its an excellent idea, which could be extended to ensure that many previously expensive past times are available to anyone that wants them, without the irksome need for effort or sacrifice.
With that in mind I have a little scheme for those who have always wanted to draw large, risk free rewards from hedge fund investing.
Anyone interested should send me their details + £850 to cover admin costs + details of any friends, colleagues or family that may be sucke.. er persuaded to join in this sort of scheme.
You just need confidence.
Regards all, enq.
With that in mind I have a little scheme for those who have always wanted to draw large, risk free rewards from hedge fund investing.
Anyone interested should send me their details + £850 to cover admin costs + details of any friends, colleagues or family that may be sucke.. er persuaded to join in this sort of scheme.
You just need confidence.
Regards all, enq.
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Is this sort of thing still available?
Try going and washing A/C at clubs and working for some hours
Do clubs still do this anymore? Does anyone know of any civilian flying school/clubs that offer flying instruction for labour? I know its the case with the service and certain employer flying clubs, but I've never heard of a flying school offering instruction for anything else but a payment of money, and a fairly large one at that.
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You could call your scheme "pilots empowering pilots"
Have a search for pyramid selling schemes and see if you think you will be able to get an airport pass after you completed your idea.
Have a search for pyramid selling schemes and see if you think you will be able to get an airport pass after you completed your idea.
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ive got a cheap plane that deffo needs cash spending on it.if you all send me a grand apiece i will send you a pic of aforementioned plane.as an afterthought i took three years to get my ppl starting in new zealand continuing at dundee and finishing in norwich.i worked bloody hard for my lessons and felt really really chuffed when i got me greasy mits on the piece of card from holborn
safe landings etc
safe landings etc
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Baz – I’ve got so much money as I’m the former President of Sierra Leone
Greeting !!!
This is to bring to your notice that a bank draft of $750,000.00 United States Dollars, have been issued in your favour by World Bank from a random computer e-mail search. I Dr. Kathleen Douglas worker in the World Bank have deposited the draft with (UPS COURIER EXPRESS,NIGERIA) after many e-mails to you which you have not replied. I have travelled out of Nigeria now,I do hope that you will receive this mail and act fast.
What you have to do now is to contact the UPS COURIER EXPRESS NIGERIA as soon as possible to know when they will deliver the package to you because of the expiring date. For your information the delivering Charge,Insurance premium and Clearance Certificate Fee of the Cheque showing that it is not a Drug Money or meant to sponsor Terrorist attack in your Country has been paid.
You are advice to contact the courier services immediately Again, we would have paid for the Security Keeping fee but they refused because they said they don't know when you will contact them and in case of demurrage. The only money you will send to the UPS COURIER EXPRESS NIGERIA to deliver your Draft direct to your postal Address in your country is $180 USDollars only being Security Keeping Fee, You have to contact the UPS COURIER EXPRESS NIGERIA now for the delivery of your Bank Draft valued at $750,000.00 United States Dollars with this information, All you have to do is contact or furnish UPS COURIER EXPRESS NIGERIA with your identification for verification of the details there in their office. Send them the following details with their email there as emailing me back will be impossible.
YOUR FULL NAMES: .............
RESIDENTIAL ADDRESS :........
TELEPHONE NUMBER :...........
CELLPHONE NUMBER : ...........
STATE : ......................
COUNTRY : ....................
CONTACT DETAILS
UPS COURIER SERVICE
Contact (DISPATCH DIRECTOR)
Contact Person: Mr. johnson Adewale
Telephone:+(234) 807-056-4708
Email : [email protected]
Contact Mr.johnson Adewale there and know when the Draft will get to your address,Let me repeat again,try to contact them as soon as you receive this mail to avoid any further delay and remember to pay them their Security Keeping fee of $180 US Dollars Only for their immediate action.You should also let me know through email as soon as you receive your Draft.
Yours Faithfully,
Dr. Kathleen Douglas
This is to bring to your notice that a bank draft of $750,000.00 United States Dollars, have been issued in your favour by World Bank from a random computer e-mail search. I Dr. Kathleen Douglas worker in the World Bank have deposited the draft with (UPS COURIER EXPRESS,NIGERIA) after many e-mails to you which you have not replied. I have travelled out of Nigeria now,I do hope that you will receive this mail and act fast.
What you have to do now is to contact the UPS COURIER EXPRESS NIGERIA as soon as possible to know when they will deliver the package to you because of the expiring date. For your information the delivering Charge,Insurance premium and Clearance Certificate Fee of the Cheque showing that it is not a Drug Money or meant to sponsor Terrorist attack in your Country has been paid.
You are advice to contact the courier services immediately Again, we would have paid for the Security Keeping fee but they refused because they said they don't know when you will contact them and in case of demurrage. The only money you will send to the UPS COURIER EXPRESS NIGERIA to deliver your Draft direct to your postal Address in your country is $180 USDollars only being Security Keeping Fee, You have to contact the UPS COURIER EXPRESS NIGERIA now for the delivery of your Bank Draft valued at $750,000.00 United States Dollars with this information, All you have to do is contact or furnish UPS COURIER EXPRESS NIGERIA with your identification for verification of the details there in their office. Send them the following details with their email there as emailing me back will be impossible.
YOUR FULL NAMES: .............
RESIDENTIAL ADDRESS :........
TELEPHONE NUMBER :...........
CELLPHONE NUMBER : ...........
STATE : ......................
COUNTRY : ....................
CONTACT DETAILS
UPS COURIER SERVICE
Contact (DISPATCH DIRECTOR)
Contact Person: Mr. johnson Adewale
Telephone:+(234) 807-056-4708
Email : [email protected]
Contact Mr.johnson Adewale there and know when the Draft will get to your address,Let me repeat again,try to contact them as soon as you receive this mail to avoid any further delay and remember to pay them their Security Keeping fee of $180 US Dollars Only for their immediate action.You should also let me know through email as soon as you receive your Draft.
Yours Faithfully,
Dr. Kathleen Douglas
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Baz, if PPL is financially out of reach then put it on hold until it can be in reach.
In the meantime you will of course want to fly and there has never been a better time to gain hundreds of hours of airtime in a single seat aircraft that has variable geometry, VNE ~ 60kts, needs no hangar, airfield, licence or medical and can be converted from power variant to glider variant in 15 minutes.
We are talking Hang Glider (NOT PARAGLIDER). Hang Gliders are difficult to land and takeoff - they teach you a lot about flying and yourself. Bend them and they are expensive to repair (just like a light a/c). So fly well. You want IMC? - easly achieved on a thermic day - but also illegal. You want to practise touch and goes for free all day? Want to practise X-wind landings all day for free?
Hang Gliding is now dying owing to overcrowding of sites with PGs. Thus you can pick up a very decent modern machine probably with harness and instruments for less then £500.00.
Modern HGs are not the old weird things you see on TV docs - they are carbon fibre, aluminium, dacron, stainless steel and immensly strong, safe and light.
You can now, entirely down to your determination, fly 30 - 60 miles XC most summer UK weekends, map read and talk to ATC or AIS. (Yes you will need a radio licence but you will need one for your PPL. Radio load is a big distraction on PPL training - get in their early)
You'll need a short padded ladder on top of you car and a few straps - and that's it.
Cron. (Solar Wings Scandal with APS! Google it)
In the meantime you will of course want to fly and there has never been a better time to gain hundreds of hours of airtime in a single seat aircraft that has variable geometry, VNE ~ 60kts, needs no hangar, airfield, licence or medical and can be converted from power variant to glider variant in 15 minutes.
We are talking Hang Glider (NOT PARAGLIDER). Hang Gliders are difficult to land and takeoff - they teach you a lot about flying and yourself. Bend them and they are expensive to repair (just like a light a/c). So fly well. You want IMC? - easly achieved on a thermic day - but also illegal. You want to practise touch and goes for free all day? Want to practise X-wind landings all day for free?
Hang Gliding is now dying owing to overcrowding of sites with PGs. Thus you can pick up a very decent modern machine probably with harness and instruments for less then £500.00.
Modern HGs are not the old weird things you see on TV docs - they are carbon fibre, aluminium, dacron, stainless steel and immensly strong, safe and light.
You can now, entirely down to your determination, fly 30 - 60 miles XC most summer UK weekends, map read and talk to ATC or AIS. (Yes you will need a radio licence but you will need one for your PPL. Radio load is a big distraction on PPL training - get in their early)
You'll need a short padded ladder on top of you car and a few straps - and that's it.
Cron. (Solar Wings Scandal with APS! Google it)
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Baz try this one:
Hi
I'm Major Gen Jorge Arroyo of the Ecuadorian Armed Forces i was drafted to Goma in Eastern Democratic Republic of Congo,DRC as the 2 i/c, field commander
United Nation peacekeeping force in Congo, Africa.
(http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3681630.stm)
During one of our raids on rebels locations we discovered and seized the sum of 9.4 million USD along side some unrefined gold.
I need your help to this once in a life time opportunity,as a serving soldier I am limited to things I could do.
You will share 20% of this money if you could assist us to secure this funds. Be assured there is no danger to you handling this deal. I will disclose
further information on receiving your willingness to assist.Your earliest response will be appreciated.
Thank you
Jorge Arroyo
I'm Major Gen Jorge Arroyo of the Ecuadorian Armed Forces i was drafted to Goma in Eastern Democratic Republic of Congo,DRC as the 2 i/c, field commander
United Nation peacekeeping force in Congo, Africa.
(http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3681630.stm)
During one of our raids on rebels locations we discovered and seized the sum of 9.4 million USD along side some unrefined gold.
I need your help to this once in a life time opportunity,as a serving soldier I am limited to things I could do.
You will share 20% of this money if you could assist us to secure this funds. Be assured there is no danger to you handling this deal. I will disclose
further information on receiving your willingness to assist.Your earliest response will be appreciated.
Thank you
Jorge Arroyo
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Baz,
I have watched this thread from the start with some sceptisim for your comment as I believe it may be just to be to prevoke a reaction...
I will take your comment in good faith and give my input as not someone with a PPL but someone who is hopefully about to commence one.
If you think your finances preclude you from doing this solo then grouping up will not help - the whole lottery thing is as has been pointed out only going to help a few out of any that join and people will soon see this and leave - no matter what contract you have you will not be able to enforce the contract by commencing court action to recover money which is not there as funds will not be available which is why it would have commenced in the first place.
To not have your PPL is not to exclude you from the aviation community - do not be discouraged by the fact you cant afford to learn to fly just yet. Participating in any way you can will only further your knowledge until you can get to a position you can afford to learn and pass the exams. Getting a seat and observing is all good education, being able to ask questions and learn before approaching the PPL should stand you in good stead and in the meantime you will be having fun.
Whilst I agree in a preivious posters comment in that to sustain a PPL requires a degree of monetry fluidity - I also see alot on here whereby people are glad of the company when they have alot of flying to do - if you can get there to join them they will be glad of the company and all is good, whilst your not flying your able to learn and observe - whilst no monies may be asked for, contributions such as the cup of tea as thanks would be polite etc.
I myself wish to undertake a PPL course later this year and before doing so wished to at least experience a SEP flight to see if the whole solo engine plane (SEP) thing is something that wont scare me senseless (even tho I am pretty much adament I will be doing it). Someone on here has offered and I have graciously accepted to share a flight to give me that experience before I commit myself to the cost of the ppl - If I was going to do this through a flight school it would be sanitised and would cost alot more.
I would say from someone on the brink of signing on the dotted line to start the PPL trail - try finding the money to at least share a flight beforehand to make sure it is something your really wanting to do. I want to do it but have reservations as have never been in such a small plane. I have been told from people that have done it before a light plane is not everyones cup of tea - if you can get that flight and you love it - then I am sure you will be able to figure out what sacrifices you may need to make to fulfill your dream.
Hope you get there one day....
I have watched this thread from the start with some sceptisim for your comment as I believe it may be just to be to prevoke a reaction...
I will take your comment in good faith and give my input as not someone with a PPL but someone who is hopefully about to commence one.
If you think your finances preclude you from doing this solo then grouping up will not help - the whole lottery thing is as has been pointed out only going to help a few out of any that join and people will soon see this and leave - no matter what contract you have you will not be able to enforce the contract by commencing court action to recover money which is not there as funds will not be available which is why it would have commenced in the first place.
To not have your PPL is not to exclude you from the aviation community - do not be discouraged by the fact you cant afford to learn to fly just yet. Participating in any way you can will only further your knowledge until you can get to a position you can afford to learn and pass the exams. Getting a seat and observing is all good education, being able to ask questions and learn before approaching the PPL should stand you in good stead and in the meantime you will be having fun.
Whilst I agree in a preivious posters comment in that to sustain a PPL requires a degree of monetry fluidity - I also see alot on here whereby people are glad of the company when they have alot of flying to do - if you can get there to join them they will be glad of the company and all is good, whilst your not flying your able to learn and observe - whilst no monies may be asked for, contributions such as the cup of tea as thanks would be polite etc.
I myself wish to undertake a PPL course later this year and before doing so wished to at least experience a SEP flight to see if the whole solo engine plane (SEP) thing is something that wont scare me senseless (even tho I am pretty much adament I will be doing it). Someone on here has offered and I have graciously accepted to share a flight to give me that experience before I commit myself to the cost of the ppl - If I was going to do this through a flight school it would be sanitised and would cost alot more.
I would say from someone on the brink of signing on the dotted line to start the PPL trail - try finding the money to at least share a flight beforehand to make sure it is something your really wanting to do. I want to do it but have reservations as have never been in such a small plane. I have been told from people that have done it before a light plane is not everyones cup of tea - if you can get that flight and you love it - then I am sure you will be able to figure out what sacrifices you may need to make to fulfill your dream.
Hope you get there one day....
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Baz,
after re-reading the thread and thinking about the whole issue, maybe the following would assist you in your endeavours;
Research the credit union movement in your area. Credit unions will grant loans to suitable people who can demonstrate that they have the ability to save regularly. If you could open an account and put a sum in, lets say £500, and then demonstrate a pattern of WEEKLY saving for the next 6 mts of say £30 per week..... no missing a week, must be lodged each week. At the end of the 6 months you should be able to borrow a bit over £3500, and your re-payments would be less than the £30 per week you were saving anyway.
Credit unions will loan up to 3x times your savings so the initial £500+26 weeks @ £30 p/w= £1280, therefore £1280x3= £3840.
You can also top up this loan after a time has elapsed, so if you find after 1 year that you need say £1000 to keep the PPL going you should be able to get it, that is of course if you make all the repayments on schedule and have missed none.
I dont know if this helps, but it may be a way to finance your PPL if you cannot allocate finances towards it right away. It is a loan you will be taking out, but it will discipline you in your endeavours, and another thing, dont go out and try and fly 5 hours a week, take your time, lodge the money into a dedicated "flying" account and use it for nothing else, this will have 2 benefits, firstly it allows you time to do the PPL and not to use all the money in a short time frame and have no flying for months while you re-pay the loan, and secondly if you take 18 mts or so to do the PPL and need a bit of extra cash after a year then you should have access to it.
Also save your dough and forget about things like Ray-bans, Bose headsets, stopwatches, flight gizmos, GPS, and all the assorted crap that students seem to want... YOU DONT NEED IT..... yet.
Regards,
Jon
after re-reading the thread and thinking about the whole issue, maybe the following would assist you in your endeavours;
Research the credit union movement in your area. Credit unions will grant loans to suitable people who can demonstrate that they have the ability to save regularly. If you could open an account and put a sum in, lets say £500, and then demonstrate a pattern of WEEKLY saving for the next 6 mts of say £30 per week..... no missing a week, must be lodged each week. At the end of the 6 months you should be able to borrow a bit over £3500, and your re-payments would be less than the £30 per week you were saving anyway.
Credit unions will loan up to 3x times your savings so the initial £500+26 weeks @ £30 p/w= £1280, therefore £1280x3= £3840.
You can also top up this loan after a time has elapsed, so if you find after 1 year that you need say £1000 to keep the PPL going you should be able to get it, that is of course if you make all the repayments on schedule and have missed none.
I dont know if this helps, but it may be a way to finance your PPL if you cannot allocate finances towards it right away. It is a loan you will be taking out, but it will discipline you in your endeavours, and another thing, dont go out and try and fly 5 hours a week, take your time, lodge the money into a dedicated "flying" account and use it for nothing else, this will have 2 benefits, firstly it allows you time to do the PPL and not to use all the money in a short time frame and have no flying for months while you re-pay the loan, and secondly if you take 18 mts or so to do the PPL and need a bit of extra cash after a year then you should have access to it.
Also save your dough and forget about things like Ray-bans, Bose headsets, stopwatches, flight gizmos, GPS, and all the assorted crap that students seem to want... YOU DONT NEED IT..... yet.
Regards,
Jon
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What should happen here is that the government should finance a "Lifestyle Fund" . We would then have access to as much cash as required to fund whatever lifestyle we choose. PPL, a/c purchase, hangarage, fuel yacht, houses etc, for as long as we require.
Payments into such fund by "borrowers" would be optional.
Once participants reach the age of 99 they will be presented with the bill.
If this bill cannot be settled within 5yrs the "offender" shall be shot.
Payments into such fund by "borrowers" would be optional.
Once participants reach the age of 99 they will be presented with the bill.
If this bill cannot be settled within 5yrs the "offender" shall be shot.
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Persevere!
Baz, could I ask how old you are? Because I was 28 when I fell in love with flying and the whole 'must-do-PPL' thing began with me. I've had various attempts at completing it over the years but it wasn't until comparitively recently that I was able to get my finances really straight and save properly. I'm now within an ace of completing and I'm now 55! I still have plenty of time left to enjoy it and so will you - determination and stickability will do the rest for you. 
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Baz,
I think you've got it.....well, almost.
If you can find a group of like minded bods save up and buy and aeroplane. (just a cheap one) and then select one of your number to get a PPL followed by a FI Rating. The aircraft will be a 'club' aircraft and the new FI can give instruction to club members without recompense. You will all be equal members of the club and have an equal share in the aircraft. the cost of the FI rating needs to be funded by cash but can be 'secured' against that members share. i.e. he pays for it when the aircraft is sold.
If you can find a friendly FI who needs hours then you may be able to do a discounted rate at this time but the principle saving will be in the hire charges levied by a commercial FTO. This route would allow you to get some debt for the purchase of the A/c which will depreciate fairly slowly. In addition to instruction you will pay direct costs. Fuel, maintenance, insurance, hangar/parking, landing, CofA, Finance, depreciation etc. etc.
It will work out cheaper and you will end up wiser. But this will involve risk and a committment - are you sure you've got what it takes? The lottery idea was pants!
I think you've got it.....well, almost.
If you can find a group of like minded bods save up and buy and aeroplane. (just a cheap one) and then select one of your number to get a PPL followed by a FI Rating. The aircraft will be a 'club' aircraft and the new FI can give instruction to club members without recompense. You will all be equal members of the club and have an equal share in the aircraft. the cost of the FI rating needs to be funded by cash but can be 'secured' against that members share. i.e. he pays for it when the aircraft is sold.
If you can find a friendly FI who needs hours then you may be able to do a discounted rate at this time but the principle saving will be in the hire charges levied by a commercial FTO. This route would allow you to get some debt for the purchase of the A/c which will depreciate fairly slowly. In addition to instruction you will pay direct costs. Fuel, maintenance, insurance, hangar/parking, landing, CofA, Finance, depreciation etc. etc.
It will work out cheaper and you will end up wiser. But this will involve risk and a committment - are you sure you've got what it takes? The lottery idea was pants!
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hold on...this scheme is fatally flawed.
( or I don't understand it at all)
if everyone chips in an equal amount until everyone has their PPL, wouldn't everyone of paid the equivelant of one PPL? and therefore could have just paid for their own.
( or I don't understand it at all)
if everyone chips in an equal amount until everyone has their PPL, wouldn't everyone of paid the equivelant of one PPL? and therefore could have just paid for their own.
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Yes,
An unavoidable conclusion. The answer is the same which ever way you look at it - but, you can work to make it as cheap as possible. Perhaps the idea was to get some dim but rich guys pay up but drop out?
An unavoidable conclusion. The answer is the same which ever way you look at it - but, you can work to make it as cheap as possible. Perhaps the idea was to get some dim but rich guys pay up but drop out?
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Utter nonsense
Communism has failed universally. Lottery based (communist) flying - sounds like the Russian airforce!
You just have to pay for it (through the nose like the rest of us), or find another hobby.
Pointless learning to do something you can't afford to sustain.
SB
You just have to pay for it (through the nose like the rest of us), or find another hobby.
Pointless learning to do something you can't afford to sustain.
SB