LAA/PFA. Disorganised?
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Mike (Hallam).
Is that the best you can come up with? After your crass and obnoxious behaviour for which you can't even apologise your parting shot is 'Ner ner ner'? Such incisive and scintillating repartee.
I've had this moniker for over a decade. Everyone in my regular forums knows who I am so I'm hardly hiding. There might be an argument that those posting under their real name merely seek the publicity of seeing themselves on the net to compensate for something lacking in their 'real' lives but I'm sure that's not your motive.
Fact is I've received several very supportive PM's giving me some extremely useful information and advice the gist of them all being to join the LAA, use it as little as I need to (mainly for the excellent engineering services) and avoid a certain element of the membership. I can do that I think. Not surprisingly I was also told that the reaction to my post typifies the behaviour of some members. How sad.
So. I've made a few new friends, gained the information I wanted and leave you to welcome any more would-be LAA members. I can't imagine for the life of me why anyone could be put off joining such a happy gang. By the way, which strut is yours? I'll make a point of visiting.
Is that the best you can come up with? After your crass and obnoxious behaviour for which you can't even apologise your parting shot is 'Ner ner ner'? Such incisive and scintillating repartee.
I've had this moniker for over a decade. Everyone in my regular forums knows who I am so I'm hardly hiding. There might be an argument that those posting under their real name merely seek the publicity of seeing themselves on the net to compensate for something lacking in their 'real' lives but I'm sure that's not your motive.
Fact is I've received several very supportive PM's giving me some extremely useful information and advice the gist of them all being to join the LAA, use it as little as I need to (mainly for the excellent engineering services) and avoid a certain element of the membership. I can do that I think. Not surprisingly I was also told that the reaction to my post typifies the behaviour of some members. How sad.
So. I've made a few new friends, gained the information I wanted and leave you to welcome any more would-be LAA members. I can't imagine for the life of me why anyone could be put off joining such a happy gang. By the way, which strut is yours? I'll make a point of visiting.
Could I add my 'pennorth. When my aircraft became an "orphan" and went in to Annex 2 I called a meeting of the UK owners to try and decide whether we would go the PFA route or stick with a C of A. We had the meeting at Turweston to make it easy for the PFA (as it was then) to make their case but nobody turned up. Anyway, for various reasons (foreign touring, aeros, lease-back to clubs etc,) we stuck with the C of A. The PFA thus lost 13 potential members.
Incidentally the cost of a 3 year UK C of A renewal is less than the cost of three Permits so for somebody like me who is cackhanded with a spanner and therefore needs a paid engineer to do the work on my aircraft, the LAA route isn't the cheapest.
Perhaps surprisingly the CAA were very helpful all the way through the process. It could be because we kept them in the loop the whole time.
Incidentally the cost of a 3 year UK C of A renewal is less than the cost of three Permits so for somebody like me who is cackhanded with a spanner and therefore needs a paid engineer to do the work on my aircraft, the LAA route isn't the cheapest.
Perhaps surprisingly the CAA were very helpful all the way through the process. It could be because we kept them in the loop the whole time.
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VG, Whilst I don't want to come across as "its my ball so you play to my rules or don't play " I do want to try to explain the problem.
I am fully sympathetic with your post but must point out that it is a typical reaction.
Just for the record I have owned more aircraft than most people (approx 80 over the years), CofA, N reg ,D reg and PFA (LAA). so feel qualified to answer your post.
The problem is a simple case of comparing apples with apples.
The Caa on the one hand are a government supported organisation which also shows a profit and as such are duty bound to assist you in the process of running your aircraft.
The LAA on the other hand are an association,owned by the members for the benefit of the members.Some people liken it to a club ( or even an "exclusive club" if they are knocking it).
There is no obligation for them to support you just by virtue of the fact that you are an aircraft owner (unlike the CAA). This is the point that is overlooked by most non members who are quick to criticise without taking the trouble to find out how it all works.(that is not directed at you personally).
At the time that your aircraft came up for review, the LAA engineering section was swamped with applications from Auster and Jodel owners and the system was somewhat overloaded.
Obviously some sort of order had to be put in place,and it reflected the level of impact on the membership and quite rightly so.
Things have leveled out a bit now and other types are coming on board.
Now whilst I accept that some of the owners in your case were members of the LAA, the vast majority were not, and I respectfully suggest that you may have had a stronger case if you were ALL members.
The LAA is NOT eletist,ANYONE can join and should join in the same way that they join AOPA just to further the fight against easa, and foreign intervention in our rights to fly,but that is a different subject.
You don't see AOPA getting slagged for not issuing permits,but that is not part of their remit, and slagging the LAA for not sorting out every Tom Dick and Harry's plane is actually much the same thing.
I want to make it clear that the LAA WELCOME all as members,be they tyros, pundits, spotters or just plain interested in aircraft. They have a second to none wealth of information and help available to all for just over £40 a year.
I would especially recommend it to anyone learning to fly or just got their licence as it is the best organisation to learn about aircraft available .It will help learn about aircraft engineering,flying interesting types of aircraft (taildraggers, aerobatic,vintage, classic etc.etc.) and provide the means to meet real people locally to help you develop your flying all for £1 per week.
I am fully sympathetic with your post but must point out that it is a typical reaction.
Just for the record I have owned more aircraft than most people (approx 80 over the years), CofA, N reg ,D reg and PFA (LAA). so feel qualified to answer your post.
The problem is a simple case of comparing apples with apples.
The Caa on the one hand are a government supported organisation which also shows a profit and as such are duty bound to assist you in the process of running your aircraft.
The LAA on the other hand are an association,owned by the members for the benefit of the members.Some people liken it to a club ( or even an "exclusive club" if they are knocking it).
There is no obligation for them to support you just by virtue of the fact that you are an aircraft owner (unlike the CAA). This is the point that is overlooked by most non members who are quick to criticise without taking the trouble to find out how it all works.(that is not directed at you personally).
At the time that your aircraft came up for review, the LAA engineering section was swamped with applications from Auster and Jodel owners and the system was somewhat overloaded.
Obviously some sort of order had to be put in place,and it reflected the level of impact on the membership and quite rightly so.
Things have leveled out a bit now and other types are coming on board.
Now whilst I accept that some of the owners in your case were members of the LAA, the vast majority were not, and I respectfully suggest that you may have had a stronger case if you were ALL members.
The LAA is NOT eletist,ANYONE can join and should join in the same way that they join AOPA just to further the fight against easa, and foreign intervention in our rights to fly,but that is a different subject.
You don't see AOPA getting slagged for not issuing permits,but that is not part of their remit, and slagging the LAA for not sorting out every Tom Dick and Harry's plane is actually much the same thing.
I want to make it clear that the LAA WELCOME all as members,be they tyros, pundits, spotters or just plain interested in aircraft. They have a second to none wealth of information and help available to all for just over £40 a year.
I would especially recommend it to anyone learning to fly or just got their licence as it is the best organisation to learn about aircraft available .It will help learn about aircraft engineering,flying interesting types of aircraft (taildraggers, aerobatic,vintage, classic etc.etc.) and provide the means to meet real people locally to help you develop your flying all for £1 per week.
