Is £140 an hour too much?
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Is £140 an hour too much?
Hey, i am switching Flying Schools and the new school i will be going to charge £140 an hour in a PA-38 Tomahawk. I was just wondering if that was too much? I wont name the School i wll be going to.
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Possibly not if it includes landing fees and instruction in today's climate. Landing fees in the UK are frankly criminal. I flew into Luxembourg last week - large international airport - huge runway and the landing and parking fee for a PA32 for the day was Landing 6.1 euro and parking 2.50. That's about £8 in today's money but a few months ago would have been just over a fiver.
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I pay £155 per hour for dual training on a Cessna 152, includes flight briefing. The 1 hour is flight time, not booked slot time. So I may be on the lesson for 2 hours but am only charged from chocks off to chocks on.
Landing is £12 per full stop, but only £3 for a touch and go.
Landing is £12 per full stop, but only £3 for a touch and go.
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That seems fair to be honest.
A school near me in the South East charges £145 /hr brakes off to brakes on for a 152 / Pa38 and £10 per detail for landings whether it is one landing or 12 landings.
A school near me in the South East charges £145 /hr brakes off to brakes on for a 152 / Pa38 and £10 per detail for landings whether it is one landing or 12 landings.
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Sounds fairly reasonable.
My school charges £135/hr dual or £95/hr solo for a PA-38 which includes unlimited landings at the home base.
It's a fairly good deal as after completing 50 hours on the aircraft, I can claim back £20 an hour so the solo rate works out at £75/hr wet.
Still probably cheaper to buy a share.
My school charges £135/hr dual or £95/hr solo for a PA-38 which includes unlimited landings at the home base.
It's a fairly good deal as after completing 50 hours on the aircraft, I can claim back £20 an hour so the solo rate works out at £75/hr wet.
Still probably cheaper to buy a share.
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If I recall this months edition of Pilot Magazine includes a brochure 'Essential Guide - Where to Fly in the UK and Abroad'. It lists all the flying schools type of aircrafts held as well as the price they charge for each type! A brilliant tool for hour building or a PPL. You will be amazed just how much the price varies amongst schools, PA28 ranges from £111h Duel to £220h Duel - CRIMINAL! Also, I was amazed just how many clubs actually exist where I am based – I never realised that I had such options when I completed the PPL!
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£155 an hour for a crappy Cessna 152? That's crazy. Where I learnt, you can get a Cessna 172SP G1000 dual for just a few quid more. That was brakes off, to brakes on and included all landing fees.
I now pay £143 solo and can take my pick of five new 172's.
I now pay £143 solo and can take my pick of five new 172's.
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There was a cheaper school operating out of the same aerodrome. However, what you must remember is that it's not just a comparison of prices of the aircraft, but the quality of the tuition.
It may be worth paying an extra £20 per hour if you get on with your instructor and can learn better.
It may be worth paying an extra £20 per hour if you get on with your instructor and can learn better.
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Here in NZ you can get a c150/2 for about 70 pounds per hour. For circuits most airfeilds only charge one landing fee no matter how many circuits you do.May be cheaper to do your PPL somewhere other than the UK.
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I reckon it's spot on if it includes landings and briefings.
I paid around £135-140 for a PA28-160 in 2005-06 when learning,and it included all flight briefings before and after.
I paid £350 /year to join the club which included insurance and all landings etc.
Ground school was £10 per hour,and I had an hour per subject.
The tuition was excellent ,great club and I think I had good value.
It's not all about the bottom line,the quality of aircraft,instructors and school is more important.
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I paid around £135-140 for a PA28-160 in 2005-06 when learning,and it included all flight briefings before and after.
I paid £350 /year to join the club which included insurance and all landings etc.
Ground school was £10 per hour,and I had an hour per subject.
The tuition was excellent ,great club and I think I had good value.
It's not all about the bottom line,the quality of aircraft,instructors and school is more important.
Lister
Just in passing, I've just come back from a business trip to San Diego. Whilst there, I had an afternoon free and spotted the "San Diego gliderport" - with hang-gliders and paragliders all over the place.
So I went and asked about a dual hang-glider flight, which I thought would be great fun. Until the I saw the price - US$175 for 20 minutes.
So, I didn't get a go in a hang-glider!
Oh yes, the real question - £140/hr for a PA38 seems about right for dual instruction in the UK at the moment, but it does vary from place to place. See what else is on offer locally for comparison.
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So I went and asked about a dual hang-glider flight, which I thought would be great fun. Until the I saw the price - US$175 for 20 minutes.
So, I didn't get a go in a hang-glider!
Oh yes, the real question - £140/hr for a PA38 seems about right for dual instruction in the UK at the moment, but it does vary from place to place. See what else is on offer locally for comparison.
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Interesting thread. I'm currently paying £145/hr for C172 dual (conventional or G1000). Solo pre-PPL is same rate. No landing fees at home airfield. Ground briefings & associated tuition no extra cost. Club membership fee £86/yr.