RT Practical exam

[Whopity]

Surely the only controlled airspace a PPL will encounter is class D or E? Or is there something else lurking in the practical exam?

The RT Licence entitles you to operate the radio station in any aircraft, it is not confined to the privileges of a PPL!

[homeguard]

RT Practical

Madgav

The RT Practical dosn't require flight subject to IFR. In all cases the pilot qualification will be a PPL with no additional ratings. You may be required to transit Class A Controlled Airspace. VFR flight is not available in Class 'A', true. Why do you believe that SVFR transits only apply "in special circumstances"?

In the UK it is true that SVFR flight is not permitted in 'Airways. However, such a restriction is not applied to other forms of Class 'A'.

[Keygrip]

Madgav, just for practice - plan a flight from your home base to Jersey - as a PPL with no instrument qualification.

[madgav]

The RT Licence entitles you to operate the radio station in any aircraft, it is not confined to the privileges of a PPL!

That's what I thought, which is why I wanted to know if it involves IFR calls, SVFR clearances, etc.

"in special circumstances"

CAA VFR guide says "under circumstances which would normally require the flight to be made under IFR". Sorry, my poor choice of words

plan a flight from your home base to Jersey

SVFR clearance or nothing then?

Thanks for the replies, just trying to get a feel for what is involved here

[madgav]

Safety Sense Leaflet 22b

Then read this:http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/ga_srg_07webSSL22.pdf

Just going throught this again and have a few observations:

Page 11:
- LARS is available from Marham but he doesn't use it (just requests a FIS).Strange since on page 10 it says LARS is available over much of the route and it would be a shame not to use it......
- Marham asks him to report passing Chatteris but before he does this he changes to Cambridge, which is well off track, for VDF. Is this just for practice as he is not actually tracking anywhere near Cambridge? Or to confirm his general position south of Chatteris?

Page 12:
- Assume he talks to Wyton since he is passing over their ATZ (good airmanship?)
- From Wyton he requests a FIS and then (in his response to "pass your message") he requests a RIS. Assume this is a typo as RIS is not available from Wyton.
- He is asked to report passing Alconbury - surely "G-ON passing Alconbury" would be sufficient rather than the full position report ("P T L E") he gives in his repsonse? Or once again, is this just for practice?
- On his initial call to Cottesmore he requests MATZ penetration, however in his response to "pass your message" he adds RIS and Barnsley QNH to his request. Would Barnsley QNH not be passed to him as a matter of course since he reports altitude based on Chatham and is fast approaching an ASR boundary?
- Assume requests to report passing Oundle and Oakham are equivalent to reporting entering and leaving the CMATZ.
- East Midlands approach/radar is now 134.175?
- In his initial call to East Midlands he doesn't "request join" & they don't ask him to "pass your message".

Please keep any replies as constructive as possible , I'm new to a lot of this & trying to come up a steep learning curve
Excuse the pre-ATSOCAS terminology used above, this is what is used in the leaflet.

[Whopity]

LARS is available over much of the route and it would be a shame not to use it......

LARS provided 3 services RIS, RAS and FIS, he used FIS, so he did use it!

surely "G-ON passing Alconbury" would be sufficient rather than the full position report

One of the requirements of the test is that you demonstrate a full position report! This is an example of one.

I suggest you read he syllabus, App A http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/175/Sectio...%20(FRTOL).pdf look at this form http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/FORSRG1171.PDF which shows the training you should have received and then decide if the money would be well spent.

[madgav]

LARS provided 3 services RIS, RAS and FIS, he used FIS, so he did use it!

Understood, but if RIS was available would it not have been preferable to use it?

One of the requirements of the test is that you demonstrate a full position report!

I got the feeling that several bits of this sample flight may have been included simply to demonstrate knowledge for the purposes of the practical exam.

Thanks for the reply and for the links
G.

[homeguard]

FIS v RIS

Or as we all know Basic v Traffic.

The normal thing when flying VFR is see and be seen. A good lookout should be everyones aim.

If every pilot requested A 'Traffic' or 'Deconfliction' service it would be impossible to provide. The controller is limited to the maximum number of flights that they may accept for a service. Deconfliction being the most limiting although you must be flying in accordance with IFR to obtain a Deconfliction service. There is then a responsibility upon the pilot to request the most appropiate service for the flight conditions. Hopefully a controller may be reading this thread and provide the actual parameters in this regard.

[madgav]

AFAIK DS, unlike RAS, is available under any flight rules, which I suppose emphasises your point.

[BackPacker]

AFAIK DS, unlike RAS, is available under any flight rules, which I suppose emphasises your point.

That's what I understood too. But the acceptance of a DS means that you are able to follow vectors from ATC which potentially bring you into IMC conditions. So you should only request/accept a DS if you have an IMC/IR and the aircraft is IFR rated and you are prepared to switch to instrument flight as and when required, or on a CAVOK day.

[madgav]

Thanks again for the help.

Was offered a full day of one to one practical tuition with the course organiser for half the cost of the full 3-day course Jumped at the chance of course.

Passed both the written and practical exams at Belfast Flying Club this morning

[Keygrip]

...and did you learn anything useful on that course?

Would you have passed anyway?

Well done, btw.

[madgav]

I think the best answers are

"Absolutely".
And "Significantly less likely"

Thanks,
Gav.

[OA32]

Quote:
plan a flight from your home base to Jersey

SVFR clearance or nothing then?

Yes, this is correct, but do you know what the limits are for SVFR flight without an IMC in Class A or D airspace and no I'm not talking about Night flying. It would seem that many don't, I'm fairly sure that many pilots think they are flying legally because they have been given a SVFR clearance and not an IFR one.

[Lew747]

Can someone just clarify....Is the Communcation Exam (Part of the 7 JAA PPL Exams) the same or different to the RT Written exam?

Lewis

[homeguard]

Whats in a name

The Communication exam is the exam but sometimes people call it the RT written exam. There is only the one exam. The Communication exam is one of the 7 written exams required for the PPL. The PPL student then takes the RT Practical to also have the FRTOL issued.

Those requiring only a FRTOL are required to take the same Communication Exam and pass the RT Practical Test.

[monkeyscribbler]

return the favour

Since y ou've just pased both, care to return the favour to PPRUNE and offer some guidance to those of us who have yet to take the exam?

[alfaalfa]

alfa

has anyone passed the RT practical in Gamston airfield ,I need some advise please.thanks