Night qualification in USA?
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It's certainly the current case that TO CARRY PASSENGERS at night you must have done one of your (three) take off and landings at night within the last ninety days....UNLESS you hold an instrument rating (in which case you don't need to).
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But just to be clear adding an FAA IR to a 61.75 adds nothing to the underlying JAA Licence.
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.. although - please correct me if I am wrong - but with an FAA IR added on to an 61.75 FAA PPL you can fly at night (as well as in IMC).
No, not unless you have a night qualification on the underlying licence.
My friend is in the US doing an FAA IR at the moment and just hit the hurdle of the night qualification. He has a JAA PPL with no night qualification and a 61.75 certificate that he was going to add the IR to while he built hours for an FAA CPL. As he did not have a JAA night qualification he could not do the IR and had to do an FAA PPL first which he did by doing the required night hours and cross country.
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.. although - please correct me if I am wrong - but with an FAA IR added on to an 61.75 FAA PPL you can fly at night (as well as in IMC).
No, not unless you have a night qualification on the underlying licence.
My friend is in the US doing an FAA IR at the moment and just hit the hurdle of the night qualification. He has a JAA PPL with no night qualification and a 61.75 certificate that he was going to add the IR to while he built hours for an FAA CPL. As he did not have a JAA night qualification he could not do the IR and had to do an FAA PPL first which he did by doing the required night hours and cross country.
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Whoopeeee!, you managed to bypass the system, back in the day..... Lucky you!!! Perhaps times have moved on and DPE's have become more switched on?
I can tell you that today, someone who tries to add an FAA IR to a 61.75 certificate who does not hold a night qualification on the underlying licence will not be able to do an IR until they either gain an NQ on the underlying licence or do a full FAA certificate.
Glad you got through though.
I can tell you that today, someone who tries to add an FAA IR to a 61.75 certificate who does not hold a night qualification on the underlying licence will not be able to do an IR until they either gain an NQ on the underlying licence or do a full FAA certificate.
Glad you got through though.
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.. FAA IR with night qual
Bose-X, FYI, I don't think I was 'beating the system' as you imply, but last October when doing my FAA IR I did the night work as required for the FAA PPL (10 full stop landings + > 3 hours at night + >100nm XC). Both the flight school and the examiner required this to be done before I could take my IR test - they were insistent that I had to have done everything required for a FAA PPL (practical aspects, not the exam).
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Bosey, you make me laugh 
PS Please don't grass me up to the FAA will you?
Anyway, I am above all that now- have been for years, what with my all singing, all dancing FAA SE and ME CPL and IR
PS FTR my experience was the same as the last poster. I actualy "failed" my IR first time due to NOT meeting the night experience requirements. Once I met it the examiner was happy and I passed.
PS Please don't grass me up to the FAA will you?
Anyway, I am above all that now- have been for years, what with my all singing, all dancing FAA SE and ME CPL and IR
PS FTR my experience was the same as the last poster. I actualy "failed" my IR first time due to NOT meeting the night experience requirements. Once I met it the examiner was happy and I passed.
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An FAA private pilot certificate includes night flying privileges. An instrument rating is not required to fly at night.
An FAA certificate extends privileges to the holder when operating within the FAA's jurisdiction. When operating in a foreign country, one is subject not only to the regulations pertaining to one's own certification (FAA, in this case), but also to those of the foreign country.
Interestingly, an FAA commercial certificate requires an instrument rating, or the holder is restricted to flights for hire to daylight, and within 50 nm. I had one of those myself for the first five years of my commercial career. I didn't hold an instrument rating (I was an ag pilot, and didn't need one). My certificate stated "Flights for hire at night and at distances greater than 50 nautical miles, prohibited."
I could fly at night all I wanted without the instrument rating...just not for hire. Were I to have taken that certificate to another country, however, the rules and regulations prescribed by the FAA would still have governed me. Additionally, the rules of the country in which I would be operating, would also govern me. If that country prohibited flight at night without an instrument rating, then I wouldn't be authorized to fly at night, period. The fact that in the US I could do so would be irrelevant.
An FAA certificate extends privileges to the holder when operating within the FAA's jurisdiction. When operating in a foreign country, one is subject not only to the regulations pertaining to one's own certification (FAA, in this case), but also to those of the foreign country.
Interestingly, an FAA commercial certificate requires an instrument rating, or the holder is restricted to flights for hire to daylight, and within 50 nm. I had one of those myself for the first five years of my commercial career. I didn't hold an instrument rating (I was an ag pilot, and didn't need one). My certificate stated "Flights for hire at night and at distances greater than 50 nautical miles, prohibited."
I could fly at night all I wanted without the instrument rating...just not for hire. Were I to have taken that certificate to another country, however, the rules and regulations prescribed by the FAA would still have governed me. Additionally, the rules of the country in which I would be operating, would also govern me. If that country prohibited flight at night without an instrument rating, then I wouldn't be authorized to fly at night, period. The fact that in the US I could do so would be irrelevant.
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I think you are missing the point....
The JAA licence doesn't allow someone to fly at night by defaut - you need to do a "night qualification" first. So someone who has an "FAA certificate based upon a JAA licence" can't by default fly at night as the FAA certificate is endorsed "All restrictions on the foreign licence apply".
What Bose and me are arguing about is that once I passed the US IR - "US TEST PASSED" this restriction disappeared as to do an FAA IR one must MEET ALL of the FAA PPL requirements - even if they have never passed an FAA PPL checkride. Who ever heard of someone who could fly IAW IFR but NOT at night.....
Anyway, what do I know...
The JAA licence doesn't allow someone to fly at night by defaut - you need to do a "night qualification" first. So someone who has an "FAA certificate based upon a JAA licence" can't by default fly at night as the FAA certificate is endorsed "All restrictions on the foreign licence apply".
What Bose and me are arguing about is that once I passed the US IR - "US TEST PASSED" this restriction disappeared as to do an FAA IR one must MEET ALL of the FAA PPL requirements - even if they have never passed an FAA PPL checkride. Who ever heard of someone who could fly IAW IFR but NOT at night.....
Anyway, what do I know...
