Making Grass strips?

[Pace]

A friend of mine is doing up a barn in the country and has an option to purchase a strip of land with it off a large field
The land will give him about 25 x 450 to 500 metres appears to be level with good approaches both ends. It has a slight slope away to the side so should drain quite well.

He is a PPL and asked me about a suitable aircraft to keep there. Apart from the usual choice of various 3 axis microlights I suggested something like a Husky any other suggestions for an aircraft which could also be flown in IMC is reasonably modern and can operate in 450 to 500 metres grass ?

I know nothing about the law on using a private field attached to your home. Can you just cut the strip, stick an aircraft there and away you go?

Many thanks

Pace

[jonkil]

I have done it. 440 metre strip.See HERE
You will be bound by the 28 day rule in the UK, does not affect me as I am in Southern Ireland.
Setting up the strip is reasonably straightforward, your choice of aircraft will be limited by the length. I am operating a C42 microlight with the 100hp engine and have no problems at all. Good luck with it.

[Pace]

Jonkil

What is the 28 day rule in the UK? did you do anything special in preparing the strip ie sow special grass or anything else?

Pace

[Duchess_Driver]

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At present, planning law in England permits the temporary use of any land for any purpose for not more than 28 days in any one year. I believe it's under review though. You'd need to keep logs to prove usage.

Any more than 28 days and you'd need planning permission for change of use.

[Leigh Caudwell]

The link needed the www. adding, try this www.IrishFlyin.Com

[airborne_artist]

NEWS: 28 day planning rule retained

Stik's the farmer - he should be able to suggest the best seed choice.

[stiknruda]

After serious consideration, I chose a slow growing amenity mix, with high red fescue and low clover content.

Been down for 10 years now and am still happy with my choice, gets cut with a finisher ( an 8' fine topper) every two weeks in summer and gets rolled (7tonne, 8' flat roll) when it needs it - invariably at the start of the season then once or twice mid season. I've "invented" a clever little hitch, so I can piggy-back the roll off the 3 point linkage whilst cutting.

I don't do IMC. I've operated various Pitts' off mine, a Tiger Moth, Cherokee 6, C182RG all without excitement. My strip is 535m. The key thing for me is clear approaches at both ends.

Hope that helps.

Stik

[Pace]

Does that mean you can only fly out of the strip on 28 days a year or can you fly a morning as a half day

Realistically does anyone keep a check on those days?

Pace

[airborne_artist]

Does that mean you can only fly out of the strip on 28 days a year or can you fly a morning as a half day

Nice one! Say 20 mins for a t/o and 10 for a landing, 24 hours in a day, so that's 48 cycles in a day, multiplied by 28 days...

Or perhaps not

[Blink182]

In reality , its the neighbours that would be doing the counting of 28 days....... if you have no immediate objectors then operate as you like. If a complaint is made to the local council /planners , then you would have to strictly adhere to the 28 day rule.
If any local objectors dislike the idea of an aeroplane operating now and again ( always keep circuits /GAs down to bare minimum ) then point out to them that on each of the 28 days that is allowed ..especially sunny weekend days ..you could invite any number of other aircraft and fly from dawn till dusk and be a right pain in the a*se.

[will5023]

Hi Pace, firstly before your friend goes and spends a load of dosh on the land, look at the place from the air, if it has lots of expensive houses directly around it expect complaints! As a land owner you can operate off your own landing site for 28 days per year, this is generally 1 departure and arrival, however if you are in a rural location you could do more, bit it will pay to keep a low profile, so don't invite the world to your new airstrip! A Robin 160-180hp will operate out of 450m safely with reduced fuel etc, although it will need to be housed, also a PA28-235 would do it or C182, however if you or your friend are not familiar with STOL then get some training!!. You can keep the plane in the corner of the barn, as long as the majority of the space is for agriculture and not a change of use(planning laws), if you need specific advice PM me.

[dont overfil]

Pace,
Insch in Aberdeenshire is about the same size and I've operated a C172M from there 3 up. I would imagine a C182 would be better or a Maule for the ultimate short field capability.
DO.

[LH2]

Just an hypothetical question, say you have a 500m x 50m strip of land. I wonder if you could subdivide those into, say, five properties 500m long x10m wide, and use them alternatively. Shouldn't that give you 140 days a year of unregulated operations?

Alternatively, if you use a microlight, I thought you could take off and land anywhere without any need for planning permission?

[Genghis the Engineer]

Originally Posted by LH2

Just an hypothetical question, say you have a 500m x 50m strip of land. I wonder if you could subdivide those into, say, five properties 500m long x10m wide, and use them alternatively. Shouldn't that give you 140 days a year of unregulated operations?

Alternatively, if you use a microlight, I thought you could take off and land anywhere without any need for planning permission?

That first point would, I think, probably need testing in a court of law. I personally suspect that said court would probably decide that you were taking the mickey!

You are incorrect with regard to microlights - they are treated just the same as any other aeroplane. You need the landowner's permission (neither here nor there if you own the land), but local authorities are likely to regard using it for more than 28 days per year as a change of use and start getting difficult.

The reality of-course is that if you are 5 miles from the nearest human habitation - do what you like, nobody is going to know or care. If on the other hand you live close to some expensive houses, expect complaints from about the second take-off. Legally however, yes you have got the 28 day rule - and with care you can manage to gently exceed that by use of careful noise and overflight procedures, not allowing anybody else in, until eventually you can prove umpty years of use without objection and apply for formal change of land useage.

G

[wings on stornoway]

farm strip flying

Hi take a look at this for referance!

PilotWeb

there is more to this than meets the eye 28 day rule! there is a book out as well covering the coulcil,policing,Logs,and various requirements! its made to sound so easy! Dont Wind up the village and keep a low profile!

W.O.S

[rv9abuilder]

Suitable types of aircraft for a short strip

Maule, Chipmunk, all vans Rv's, Tiger moth ,c182 ,c180, Zenair, Pitts
and lots more besides

[Keygrip]

Jet Ranger.

[Lister Noble]

Nice one!

[Pace]

The reality of-course is that if you are 5 miles from the nearest human habitation - do what you like, nobody is going to know or care. If on the other hand you live close to some expensive houses, expect complaints from about the second take-off. Legally however, yes you have got the 28 day rule - and with care you can manage to gently exceed that by use of careful noise and overflight procedures, not allowing anybody else in, until eventually you can prove umpty years of use without objection and apply for formal change of land useage.

G there is a Hamlet of houses about 3/4 mile away with a church alongside the field. He could always paint it red with a cross on the side and pretend its some local air ambulance service for residents failing that a visit from the heavy mob

Pace

[foxmoth]

As a land owner you can operate off your own landing site for 28 days per year, this is generally 1 departure and arrival,

Surprised no one has commented on this! I always thought it was as many movements as you want provided you nkeep to the 28 days - much as someone else pointed out - you could have 28 fly ins with loads of a/c - a bit impractical, but I do know some guys that have just borrowed a field and organised BBQ's or even an overnight party with lots flying in!