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Hi All,
is there any insructors for this type of aircraft near the isle of lewis as i understand there is plenty of nppls/ppl,but as i understaand they are not allowed to teach me to fly as they do not have the rating for the challenger2?? i was told there is people here who can fly the aircraft but i cant log the hours on this aircraft hence instructor wanted for the isle of lewis.
the aircraft will be kept at stornoway at present i am awaiting for delivery and waiting for the kind chaps to get a permitt to fly any info will be most welcomed!
regards W.O.S.
is there any insructors for this type of aircraft near the isle of lewis as i understand there is plenty of nppls/ppl,but as i understaand they are not allowed to teach me to fly as they do not have the rating for the challenger2?? i was told there is people here who can fly the aircraft but i cant log the hours on this aircraft hence instructor wanted for the isle of lewis.
the aircraft will be kept at stornoway at present i am awaiting for delivery and waiting for the kind chaps to get a permitt to fly any info will be most welcomed!
regards W.O.S.
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try asking the question on the BMAA forum.
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having flown a Challenger 2 for about 7 hrs.
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having flown a Challenger 2 for about 7 hrs.
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Hi will,
i understand that the chap who is doing the permit is from the pfa office which used to be a guy called sandy hutton but i have been told he is no longer with the PFA office so i dont know who the new chap is as yet! but i should imagine that it is a stight forward microlight permit from the pfa hope this helps the aircraft weight is 400KL/or 300lb twin seater with the rotax 582 with stick and pedals in both seating areas!
regards gary
i understand that the chap who is doing the permit is from the pfa office which used to be a guy called sandy hutton but i have been told he is no longer with the PFA office so i dont know who the new chap is as yet! but i should imagine that it is a stight forward microlight permit from the pfa hope this helps the aircraft weight is 400KL/or 300lb twin seater with the rotax 582 with stick and pedals in both seating areas!
regards gary
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If you were closer I could help you. I have quite a few hours on type flying an owner of one around for permit renewals etc as he is unable to hold a medical.
I have to say they are not my favourite type! Badly coordinated and a pain in the ass to fly. Flare to hard and you strike the tail, which fortunately does have a wheel on it, flare to little and the nose wheel bounces.
I have to say they are not my favourite type! Badly coordinated and a pain in the ass to fly. Flare to hard and you strike the tail, which fortunately does have a wheel on it, flare to little and the nose wheel bounces.
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Originally Posted by will5023
Hi Ref instruction , I presume you mean it will have a BMAA permit to fly and not an LAA one ?
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I have to say they are not my favourite type! Badly coordinated and a pain in the ass to fly. Flare to hard and you strike the tail, which fortunately does have a wheel on it, flare to little and the nose wheel bounces
Pound for pound it is a lot of fun and indeed enjoyable little aeroplane.... however, buy yourself a good suit.... bloody cold.
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Hi Gary, and Merry Xmas! Going back to your origional post....have you got your licence, or are you hoping to complete your licence on this aircraft ? If it is a conversion to type then I can propably get that sorted, however if it is training for your licence there may be a complication with training on a LAA Permit aircraft. However if you go on the LAA website www.laa.uk.com and click on training you may find someone closer to you, alternatively e-mail us at
[email protected] with your request. hope this helps, and like Bose and others I have flown the challenger for conversions and test flights etc.
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[email protected] with your request. hope this helps, and like Bose and others I have flown the challenger for conversions and test flights etc.
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hi will,
merry christmas to you!
i am not after the conversion ! i am hoping to compleate my liscence on the aircraft at present i an just a student pilot the aircraft is not an open one it is enclosed cockpit area! i understand that it is on a LAA permit the pilots her say it can be flown by them some of the lads here have the NPPL/and the PPL but as stated i cant log any of the hours even if they was to take the aircraft up!
so i know this cant be done by them they was talking about rating for the challenger 2 i have been told to get an instructor for this type of plane even at most flying schools there is no challenger the nearest is the TST MK1 and even know this has gone from the flying club i believe this was at the S.A.C. so back to square 1 
regards gary
merry christmas to you!
i am not after the conversion ! i am hoping to compleate my liscence on the aircraft at present i an just a student pilot the aircraft is not an open one it is enclosed cockpit area! i understand that it is on a LAA permit the pilots her say it can be flown by them some of the lads here have the NPPL/and the PPL but as stated i cant log any of the hours even if they was to take the aircraft up!
so i know this cant be done by them they was talking about rating for the challenger 2 i have been told to get an instructor for this type of plane even at most flying schools there is no challenger the nearest is the TST MK1 and even know this has gone from the flying club i believe this was at the S.A.C. so back to square 1 regards gary
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There is no rating for the Challenger, it is just like any other microlight. Any microlight instructor worth their salt will be able to teach you in it.
Without a license you will only be able to log hours as a student, so will have to fly with an Instructor and be signed out by one post solo until you gain your own license. Flying with another PPL will not allow you to log time. It might be worth you speaking to an Instructor or school before yo actually buy this thing.
As I said not a great aircraft, even closed cockpit it will be bloody freezing and I would not say it was a great machine for ab initio training.
Without a license you will only be able to log hours as a student, so will have to fly with an Instructor and be signed out by one post solo until you gain your own license. Flying with another PPL will not allow you to log time. It might be worth you speaking to an Instructor or school before yo actually buy this thing.
As I said not a great aircraft, even closed cockpit it will be bloody freezing and I would not say it was a great machine for ab initio training.
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hi bx, merry xmas to you!
i have already got the aircraft!
i beleive that the pilots here need a rating for the microlight down from the ppl and the nppl to be honest i dont know! but they told me i cant log the hours if they are to take the plane up for me and that i need an instructor this is the problem it is finding one here on the isle of lewis
are you telling me if one of the pilots flew the plane here i can still log the hours as a student! interesting it is a pitty you are not in the region as you seem to know the aircraft!
regards gary
i have already got the aircraft!
i beleive that the pilots here need a rating for the microlight down from the ppl and the nppl to be honest i dont know! but they told me i cant log the hours if they are to take the plane up for me and that i need an instructor this is the problem it is finding one here on the isle of lewis
are you telling me if one of the pilots flew the plane here i can still log the hours as a student! interesting it is a pitty you are not in the region as you seem to know the aircraft!
regards gary
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No, the are quite correct. I am telling you that you need an Instructor to train you and be able to log hours just riding with a PPL makes you nothing more than a passenger.
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Hi,
thanks for the info
back to the drawing board is there anybody that would teach me to fly the challenger 2 in scotland Nr isle of lewis!! ( private instructor)or nearest club from here?? need to gain my liscence in this type of aircraft!
regards gary
thanks for the info
back to the drawing board is there anybody that would teach me to fly the challenger 2 in scotland Nr isle of lewis!! ( private instructor)or nearest club from here?? need to gain my liscence in this type of aircraft!
regards gary
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Hi Will,
thanks for the imput but i have tried the BMMA and the LAA but got no joy and as i am not a member of either i cant access there site to get any info off there but i did see a name sandy hutton who was a guy i spoke to about 8 months ago about a Permitt to fly but was told by the PFA that he is no longer with them! i am a member of the S.A.C. but the problem is the distance never even got to the club last year! i will possibbly be looking for an instructor who would come over to the isle of lewis or it means travelling some distance for a couple of hours flying i cant win i am on a loose situation either way! have the club got a challenger?????
after next month the aircraft will be at stornoway airport and then who knows!! aircraft at stornoway student pilot at stornoway instructor??????
take a guess!! 
thanks for the imput but i have tried the BMMA and the LAA but got no joy and as i am not a member of either i cant access there site to get any info off there but i did see a name sandy hutton who was a guy i spoke to about 8 months ago about a Permitt to fly but was told by the PFA that he is no longer with them! i am a member of the S.A.C. but the problem is the distance never even got to the club last year! i will possibbly be looking for an instructor who would come over to the isle of lewis or it means travelling some distance for a couple of hours flying i cant win i am on a loose situation either way! have the club got a challenger?????
after next month the aircraft will be at stornoway airport and then who knows!! aircraft at stornoway student pilot at stornoway instructor??????
take a guess!!
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Why don't you go to a ML school and do the PPL(M) in one hit and then get checked out on the challenger when you are done. Strikes me it would be less of a pain in the bum!!
A bit of a bulletpoint post, but...
(1) You can only pay an instructor to teach you ab-initio on the Challenger if you are sole owner.
(2) If you are flying an LAA microlight you really should bite the bullet and join either BMAA or LAA, or ideally both.
(3) It's probably easier to go and get your licence on something else, then convert - which one of the other syndicate members can do for you.
(4) Let's be honest - the Isle of Lewis is a long way from most recreational flying. You almost certainly just need to go and do a residential on the mainland somewhere to get your licence. Given British winters - you might do worse than just fly out to France, Spain or Portugal and get it all done in a few weeks.
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(1) You can only pay an instructor to teach you ab-initio on the Challenger if you are sole owner.
(2) If you are flying an LAA microlight you really should bite the bullet and join either BMAA or LAA, or ideally both.
(3) It's probably easier to go and get your licence on something else, then convert - which one of the other syndicate members can do for you.
(4) Let's be honest - the Isle of Lewis is a long way from most recreational flying. You almost certainly just need to go and do a residential on the mainland somewhere to get your licence. Given British winters - you might do worse than just fly out to France, Spain or Portugal and get it all done in a few weeks.
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Hi G,
thanks for the input well i am the sole owner of the aircraft! i was hoping i could find an instructor on here! as far as doing my liscence in another country is out of the question! would be nice though
I am trying the LAA and the BMAA after the holidays so who knows!
thanks to all
regards gary
thanks for the input well i am the sole owner of the aircraft! i was hoping i could find an instructor on here! as far as doing my liscence in another country is out of the question! would be nice though
I am trying the LAA and the BMAA after the holidays so who knows!
thanks to all
regards gary
Sole ownership simplifies life, but realistically, you're still a long way from any school and your aircraft is not ideally suited to long surface trips.
I think you might well be still better off doing most, if not all, of your course elsewhere, then coming back and either completing with an "imported" instructor, or converting once you have your licence.
Another, and possibly more practical option, is to see if an (the?) instructor at Highland Flying School at Stornoway could become microlight rated (presumably at your expense sadly), then teach you on the Challenger?
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I think you might well be still better off doing most, if not all, of your course elsewhere, then coming back and either completing with an "imported" instructor, or converting once you have your licence.
Another, and possibly more practical option, is to see if an (the?) instructor at Highland Flying School at Stornoway could become microlight rated (presumably at your expense sadly), then teach you on the Challenger?
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Hi G.T.E
I am going to aproach the school as i understand that the instructor from highland flying school has the JAR NPPL /A/M i am not sure but i have been informed that if the JAR instructor holds the NPPL M then i may be O.K if not then it is a case of flying the schools aircraft for the NPPL/A and then doing a M rating either way its expensive!
At the moment they are using the PA38 i think is the term i will find out this week as i am going to aproach the school and see if it is an option that i can take with them to get my microlight liscence! thanks for the info! i will be paying for the pleasure of flying my own aircraft either way!
if the instructor will become microlight rated i dont mind i will take this up with the school nice idea! but at what costs i dont know but it would be interesting!
regards gary
I am going to aproach the school as i understand that the instructor from highland flying school has the JAR NPPL /A/M i am not sure but i have been informed that if the JAR instructor holds the NPPL M then i may be O.K if not then it is a case of flying the schools aircraft for the NPPL/A and then doing a M rating either way its expensive!
At the moment they are using the PA38 i think is the term i will find out this week as i am going to aproach the school and see if it is an option that i can take with them to get my microlight liscence! thanks for the info! i will be paying for the pleasure of flying my own aircraft either way!
if the instructor will become microlight rated i dont mind i will take this up with the school nice idea! but at what costs i dont know but it would be interesting!
regards gary