EASA clipping CPL(A)'s wings?

[+200 No Flags]

Thanks Whopity, much appreciated!

[mcgoo]

Aerial photography/surveying?

[Whopity]

the introduction of an ATPL skills test?

Introduced by JAR-FCL in 1999!

CAA CPL he has an evergreen IMC privileges that NEVER lapse

No, he has the privileges of the IMC rating whilst in the UK, but his licence does not contain the restrictions that necessitate an IMC rating in the first place. The licence conveys no right to fly IFR where nationally an IR is required! It will all end in 2012 when National licenses are phased out!

A CPL merely confers the right to be remunerated as a pilot, in very limited cases unless supported with additional experience/qualifications. It is the first rung of a long ladder.

[IO540]

I know of a flying school which had an AOC for traffic spotting - whether this was actually necessary I have no idea.

So, the current CPL-only list stands at

1) paid pilot for a firm or a client (who supplied the plane)
2) paid para dropping
3) paid ferrying

Not sure that flight demos need a CPL. If I worked for an airplane dealer why could I not take customers up for a flight, so long as I can refuse? If I was a freelance (not an employee of the dealer) however than I would need a CPL.

Survey people I have bumped into had AOCs.

[LH2]

So, the current CPL-only list stands at [....]

There are a few other things you can add to it as well, but I think you are talking about what a CPL holder can do in the absence of an AOC? That's comparable to holding a PCV licence: unless you're driving your own private bus, whoever you're driving for will have the road transport equivalent of an AOC (can't remember what it's called). There is nothing unique to aviation there.

[Whopity]

And of course Instructing.

The most meaningless privilege which originates in ICAO Annex 1 is that of being a Co-pilot as a PPL holder. To be a Co-pilot requires a multipilot type rating, which requires that the holder has ATPL knowledge, an IR and MCC!

[IO540]

The most meaningless privilege which originates in ICAO Annex 1 is that of being a Co-pilot as a PPL holder. To be a Co-pilot requires a multipilot type rating, which requires that the holder has ATPL knowledge, an IR and MCC!

Presumably, this is what John Travolta has? He owns the plane, and doesn't get paid for flying. I thought that under FAA rules you can fly a 7x7 on a PPL/IR with the appropriate Type Rating? Pretty meaningless, I agree, for most people.

[flybymike]

I would appreciate more information on the alleged demise of national licenses in 2012 as intimated by whopity above.

[chrisbl]

John Travolta has an ATP with mulitple type ratings. Whether he gets paid or not is irrelevant.

[mcgoo]

According to the FAA database, he has a private!

[S-Works]

According to the FAA database, he has a private!

Experience has shown the FAA database is not always correct or up to date......

[julian_storey]

This is true.

If you successfully complete a flight test in FAA land, the examiner will issue you a temporary licence which includes the new rating to which you have just become entitled.

Although you can then exercise those privileges immediately (which is the important thing!) the FAA can take up to 120 days to issue you your new plastic licence and update their website. (Generally it seems to take almost exactly 60 days)

Since the FAA don't charge anything for issuing a new licence and since the temporary one gives you your new privileges in the interim period, this has never struck me as being a huge issue

[IO540]

I think Travolta has been flying his jets for more than 120 days.

If the FAA site shows he has a PPL then he has a PPL, and same for certain other cases which have recently come up

Completely legal too (for Travolta) - a PPL can fly a 747 RHS if he has a TR. An ATPL is needed only to be a Captain (LHS). Obviously not for paying passenger carriage.

[S-Works]

There are many errors/omissions in the FAA database. Not saying that the Travolta entry is wrong but it would surprise me that with the ease of gaining an FAA CPL especially in the light of the fact that he has a type rating on something so advanced that he has not done so.

[Big Pistons Forever]

Travolta may not have enough flying hours for the ATPL.....

[Contacttower]

I believe Travolta commands his own Gulfstream II, which is a multi-crew aircraft.

[IO540]

He owns it so he obviously "commands" it

An FAA jet type rating, which can be attached to a PPL, involves flight training and technical/systems knowledge equivalent to an ATPL. The only difference, I am told by people who have done this, is that you don't actually sit the ATPL written exam, and you don't come out with an ATPL because for that you would need 1500hrs of which c. 100 have to be at night, etc, etc.

Incidentally you cannot practically do the jet TR unless you have an IR.

I cannot believe Travolta's faa.gov record is duff, because someone as well known as him would not have allowed that to remain. It is also routine for CFIs etc to call up the faa.gov record when doing say a BFR or IPC. My FAA CPL examiner called up my FAA record, to see I existed, etc.

I don't know about JAA-land but I do know that the multi crew cockpit time which is nowadays required for the JAA ATPL makes it a bit nonsensical for a private pilot to do it. I've looked at doing the FAA ATPL but don't have a realistic chance of ever getting the night hours without silly night hour building.

[flybymike]

I believe John Travolta has been flying for over thirty years and has more than 5000 hours. I gather he flies his own 707 rather than a 747, and I think this would meet most ATPL pre entry criteria.

[englishal]

It is balls to suggest the FAA dB is wrong....