PPL Cross Country Qualifier Question.
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PPL Cross Country Qualifier Question.
Evening all,
Just did my qualifying cross country today, and have a question to ask about the comments on landing and airmanship that need to be written up at each land away aerodrome.
Is there any specific nomenclature when describing the landing and airmanship? e.g. excellent/good/fair/poor, or can the person filling in the form say what they like?
Looked on LASORS etc. couldn't find anything.
Cheers
JR
Just did my qualifying cross country today, and have a question to ask about the comments on landing and airmanship that need to be written up at each land away aerodrome.
Is there any specific nomenclature when describing the landing and airmanship? e.g. excellent/good/fair/poor, or can the person filling in the form say what they like?
Looked on LASORS etc. couldn't find anything.
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JR
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No there isn't a specific scale for comment.
Many ATC units/controllers have their own scale of comment which may mean little to anyone else, but they are only required to confirm that the pilot arrived as authorised and that the airmanship and landing was satisfactory.
Many ATC units/controllers have their own scale of comment which may mean little to anyone else, but they are only required to confirm that the pilot arrived as authorised and that the airmanship and landing was satisfactory.
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I did my QXC in Florida, but under JAA rules. Now airfields in Florida (or the US in general) are normally totally, utterly uncontrolled. No AFIS or A/G service at all. If you're lucky there's a computer called AWOS that tells you the wind strength and direction, that's it.
Land, and then try to find somebody who happened to witness your arrival, R/T standard, landing and so forth, and is in a position to judge that - a hopeless task.
I was lucky and managed to find somebody within 15 minutes in each case, who was willing to sign my paperwork, with a standard of airmanship of "excellent" in both cases. Even though they were in a briefing room doing an instructor-student briefing at the time of my arrival. One of them was not even an instructor-pilot, but an instructor-parachutist but the CAA will never know that from the signature.
I've also heard horror stories of students spending more than an hour scouring the field for somebody, anybody, who would want to sign their paperwork. After that one hour, they phone up the school, get permission to fly to another field and try again.
At the end of the day, all that matters is that somebody witnessed that you've reached the field in one piece.
Land, and then try to find somebody who happened to witness your arrival, R/T standard, landing and so forth, and is in a position to judge that - a hopeless task.
I was lucky and managed to find somebody within 15 minutes in each case, who was willing to sign my paperwork, with a standard of airmanship of "excellent" in both cases. Even though they were in a briefing room doing an instructor-student briefing at the time of my arrival. One of them was not even an instructor-pilot, but an instructor-parachutist but the CAA will never know that from the signature.
I've also heard horror stories of students spending more than an hour scouring the field for somebody, anybody, who would want to sign their paperwork. After that one hour, they phone up the school, get permission to fly to another field and try again.
At the end of the day, all that matters is that somebody witnessed that you've reached the field in one piece.
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On my QXC my first landing wasn't too pretty and I got an 'excellent' on the form,second landing was a greaser and I got a 'satisfactory'.
I think provided you returned the a/c in one piece ( and it seems you did
) then the style marks you received are not significant.
Well done,did you enjoy it? I had a real good time after I had got the first nav leg/landing in the bag.
Good luck with the rest of your training.
MM
I think provided you returned the a/c in one piece ( and it seems you did
) then the style marks you received are not significant.Well done,did you enjoy it? I had a real good time after I had got the first nav leg/landing in the bag.
Good luck with the rest of your training.
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I was always under the impression that there were basically three possible outcomes:
(1) write "good" on the form and sign it - this guy did an OK landing, no problem
(2) write "safe" on the form and sign it - well, he didn't actually break anything, and I didn't feel too worried about letting him take off again, after all he didn't have my kids as passengers
(3) refuse to sign form, refuse take-off permission, phone instructor.
(1) write "good" on the form and sign it - this guy did an OK landing, no problem
(2) write "safe" on the form and sign it - well, he didn't actually break anything, and I didn't feel too worried about letting him take off again, after all he didn't have my kids as passengers
(3) refuse to sign form, refuse take-off permission, phone instructor.
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Cheers!
Thanks for the replies, really helpful!
Yes, despite being a little tired before setting out, it was immensely enjoyable, thankyou MM.
I asked the question only because at each different destination I got a landing comment that was different, but to my mind amounted to the same thing.
The only thing I have left to ponder about the whole thing now is whether or not in future I own up to getting lost on the last leg in my own back yard for five minutes...
Again, thanks for the replies
JR
Yes, despite being a little tired before setting out, it was immensely enjoyable, thankyou MM.
I asked the question only because at each different destination I got a landing comment that was different, but to my mind amounted to the same thing.
The only thing I have left to ponder about the whole thing now is whether or not in future I own up to getting lost on the last leg in my own back yard for five minutes...
Again, thanks for the replies
JR
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I got a mixture of good and satisfactory on mine.
On my first cross country I got a "bit lost" on the way back,went back to a known point and started again and arrived around 15 mins later than ETA.
CFI didn't say anything when I landed but later on I told him what had happened.
He said they wondered where I had got to,but not to worry,as I had sorted it out by myself.
Lister
On my first cross country I got a "bit lost" on the way back,went back to a known point and started again and arrived around 15 mins later than ETA.
CFI didn't say anything when I landed but later on I told him what had happened.
He said they wondered where I had got to,but not to worry,as I had sorted it out by myself.
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When I did mine one of the guys on the radio admitted he hadn`t seen the landing but as I was stood in front of him it must have been a success.
Weve all been lost before, dont worry about it. Well done on sorting it out.
Weve all been lost before, dont worry about it. Well done on sorting it out.
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I got "lost" on my first solo XC out over the Aylesbury plain. I called Wycombe tower (where I was headed back to) and they suggested I called D&D. I made my call and asked for a fix and heading to Aylesbury. "Why Aylesbury?" they asked. "If I get to Aylesbury, I'll know my way from there" I said. "You've already got yourself lost once, we'll give you a track direct to Booker" they replied.
Never forgot that experience and the temporary sweat as I thought I might blunder into the Brize/Luton/Heathrow zone any moment!
Never forgot that experience and the temporary sweat as I thought I might blunder into the Brize/Luton/Heathrow zone any moment!
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Honest Joe
I'm sure it is good to have a bit of honesty on the forum.
When you are learning you think everyone else is perfect, and it is just you making mistakes.
Lister
When you are learning you think everyone else is perfect, and it is just you making mistakes.
Lister
