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Is there any chance instructors doing a check out (for hiring purposes) could restrict themselves to checking and giving helpful advice on their local circuit and environs without attempting to re-train one with their own ideas (except where there is an obvious safety issue, of course)
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What makes you qualified to decide what was helpful and what wasn't?
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What makes you qualified to decide what was helpful and what wasn't?
1) Where the circuit is
2) When the runway is and what bit to land on.
3) Local knowledge on how best to approach.
4) What not to fly over (noise abatement)
5) Where the loo is (on the ground that is)
Not helpful
1) Procedures which every pilot does but not all in exactly the same way as instructor does
2) Re-training where just a reminder would do
Would they be more like a CAA examiner who says little, gives a few hints at crucial moments and leaves the rest for the debriefing
I'm not an instructor. I'd tend to give the guy the benefit of the doubt (assuming he wasnt being an arse about it), and if you can't see why his idea are any better than what you're already doing, just tell him what you've been told differently and ask why he prefers his way. At the very worst you've learnt a new way of doing things - and at best, you might prefer it!
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Yes sure - but they don't see it that way. I'm always up to learn something new, but I need time to digest it and decide whether to incorporate it. I feel checker outers (to coin a word) should try to add to and build on your existing skills rather than trying to replace them.
When you're on your own at a new airfield you have to figure out everything for yourself (with the help of your Pooleys guide). You don't usually get it that much wrong and that should be the starting point.
When you're on your own at a new airfield you have to figure out everything for yourself (with the help of your Pooleys guide). You don't usually get it that much wrong and that should be the starting point.
Oh - and even if he *is* an arse about it and hs no good reason for doing it differently, just nod, smile, get your checkout signed and then carry on doing things like you did before 
Play things to your advantage, always!
Even if he doesnt see it that way, who cares - once you're checked out you've only had to suffer him for an hour, and you can go have fun on your own
Play things to your advantage, always!Even if he doesnt see it that way, who cares - once you're checked out you've only had to suffer him for an hour, and you can go have fun on your own
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I have refused to sign off people in the past. They tend to think I did this to spoil their fun, I tend to think I did this to save their lives.
The people who deserve criticism most tend to be the same people who protest most.
(assuming he wasnt being an arse about it)
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I have refused to sign off people in the past. They tend to think I did this to spoil their fun, I tend to think I did this to save their lives.
Methinks we're just keen to hear your doubtless educated and more experienced opinions on go-arounds, and see how they compare to what we've been told up to now 
I know I would be - if I'm doing something wrong, I damn sure want to know about it!
I know I would be - if I'm doing something wrong, I damn sure want to know about it!
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Dave, you had what you regard as a bad experience today with an instructor. It wasn't me, I didn't instruct today. But it's threads like this that make me realise I don't miss it all that much.
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David, if an FI feels it is necessary to make comment on your flying. There is usually a reason. Whilst some do try and force their views on people, it is easy to just say, "well I prefer doing it this way and here's why" then have a discussion about it on the ground.
That way you might learn something and so might they.
Their way may be better or it may be less sensible. It is up to you to judge what is what, but just because you were taught a certain method doesn't make it right and honestly you have such limited experience, listen to everyone you meet. You don't have to follow all the advice given and you'd probably be right to discard most of the guff you'll hear, but you may hear something that one day might save your backside.
How long ago did you pass your test by the way?