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Now I was thinking what if these scientists discover that the original 'big bang' was actually caused by a bunch of scientists who were trying to discover the nature of matter by blasting it to pieces - now that would be irony, would that make these Swiss scientists the new architects of the universe and therefore 'god'.
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This is from someone who is qualified to comment in a scientific manner......
http://web.mac.com/sinfonia1/Global_..._Collider.html
I believe Prof Stott not the recent media garbage.
http://web.mac.com/sinfonia1/Global_..._Collider.html
I believe Prof Stott not the recent media garbage.
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Read the piece but really he doesnt explain anything only to say that scientists should be trusted.
If you believe the bible then God made man in his own image. If a spirit existing in a different plain then God would not need a nose to breathe and smell through or eyes to see through so he must have meant in his spiritual image.
Following that theory then Man has the potential to create life itself.
As for good and Bad we all have the potential to use these new knowleges for good or evil.
Ie the benefits or the detruction capability of nuclear energy.
I am sure too that the same will apply to these new sciences ie the capability to use them for good or evil.
There was a lovely saying (cannot remember who wrote it
" unless you push the boundaries you will never find what lies beyond".
That principle applies to anything in life and it was said in the pioneering days of breaking the sound barrier.
Many people fear change and are motivated by their own religious beliefs. You only have to see the petty restrictions placed on genetic research and the delays put in place for finding ways of improving the quality of life for many sick people.
There are many religious and odd sects who will fight anything but to them I would say if God gave us a mind then he didnt give us that mind to restrict our use of it and if there is a devil then its how we use that knowledge not gaining that knowledge.
So I am all for pushing the boundaries not only in ourselves but science.
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Read the piece but really he doesnt explain anything only to say that scientists should be trusted.
If you believe the bible then God made man in his own image. If a spirit existing in a different plain then God would not need a nose to breathe and smell through or eyes to see through so he must have meant in his spiritual image.
Following that theory then Man has the potential to create life itself.
As for good and Bad we all have the potential to use these new knowleges for good or evil.
Ie the benefits or the detruction capability of nuclear energy.
I am sure too that the same will apply to these new sciences ie the capability to use them for good or evil.
There was a lovely saying (cannot remember who wrote it
" unless you push the boundaries you will never find what lies beyond".That principle applies to anything in life and it was said in the pioneering days of breaking the sound barrier.
Many people fear change and are motivated by their own religious beliefs. You only have to see the petty restrictions placed on genetic research and the delays put in place for finding ways of improving the quality of life for many sick people.
There are many religious and odd sects who will fight anything but to them I would say if God gave us a mind then he didnt give us that mind to restrict our use of it and if there is a devil then its how we use that knowledge not gaining that knowledge.
So I am all for pushing the boundaries not only in ourselves but science.
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An amusing description of what they are going to do:-
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/09...nuum_unripped/
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/09...nuum_unripped/
Just to get away from black holes and things like that and also to introduce a bit of good-old thread drift, is it legal nowadays to go IMC in a glider?
I used to think nothing of diving into a promising cumulus (with just a battery-driven turn and slip) and rocketing up to 10,000 feet or more.
Mind you, cumulus clouds have changed since those days. They used to be relatively benign but nowadays they are either so shallow that they are not worth going into or they are so fearsome that no one in their right mind would go anywhere near them.
I used to think nothing of diving into a promising cumulus (with just a battery-driven turn and slip) and rocketing up to 10,000 feet or more.
Mind you, cumulus clouds have changed since those days. They used to be relatively benign but nowadays they are either so shallow that they are not worth going into or they are so fearsome that no one in their right mind would go anywhere near them.
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Or, go to this thread and find out: http://www.pprune.org/private-flying...eparation.html
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I found this - a good documentary on the subject: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHs7h...x=0&playnext=1
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fantastic documentary which goes some way to describe what they are trying to achieve and should be viewed by all.
To me it seems a massive amount of money to prove complex equations and theories but with little practical potential.
By that at first glance it will not add to our quality of life by creating new travel modes, medicine or energies which can be used by mankind but will at best prove that certain theories are right or get the scientists running around scratching their heads because those theories are proved wrong. Then it will be a matter of thinking again.
One thing that was apparent is that the scientists do not really know what will happen when these particles collide at such speed. probably nothing but then again who knows? they dont :-) and there lies the miniscule element of risk.
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To me it seems a massive amount of money to prove complex equations and theories but with little practical potential.
By that at first glance it will not add to our quality of life by creating new travel modes, medicine or energies which can be used by mankind but will at best prove that certain theories are right or get the scientists running around scratching their heads because those theories are proved wrong. Then it will be a matter of thinking again.
One thing that was apparent is that the scientists do not really know what will happen when these particles collide at such speed. probably nothing but then again who knows? they dont :-) and there lies the miniscule element of risk.
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To me it seems a massive amount of money to prove complex equations and theories but with little practical potential.
These types of experiments will prove or disprove certain theories. If they prove say the existence of the Higgs Boson this, in time, could lead to the exploiting these zero point energy fields. When that happens, we'll have unlimited power - literally enough power to bend space and time making theoretical modes of transport like warp drives (which are theoretically possible - given enough power) possible. Of course that is a LONG way off, but give it a 1000 years and as long as we don't nuke ourselves into oblivion, die of some horrible bug or get so over populated that we can't feed ourselves (nature will sort this out) then I reckon we'll be zapping around the galaxy "faster" than light.....all thanks to experiments like this.
However, we could of course do nothing....
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>Poppycock! Suppose they had said the same about the voyages of Columbus? Or the development of the jet engine? Or anything!<
The development of the Jet engine, internet, splitting of the atom, mobile phones etc are all practical developments within a lifetime.
I see this and I know next to nothing about it as being more trying to prove or disprove mathematical theories which may or may not be true rather than having any foreseeable practical benefit to us.
That does not mean I do not think the tests should go ahead. "unless we push the boundaries we will never know what lies beyond".
Simply an observation from someone with little knowledge like me that on face value there does not appear to be a practical benefit in the short or foreseeable future or within our lifetime.
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>Poppycock! Suppose they had said the same about the voyages of Columbus? Or the development of the jet engine? Or anything!<
The development of the Jet engine, internet, splitting of the atom, mobile phones etc are all practical developments within a lifetime.
I see this and I know next to nothing about it as being more trying to prove or disprove mathematical theories which may or may not be true rather than having any foreseeable practical benefit to us.
That does not mean I do not think the tests should go ahead. "unless we push the boundaries we will never know what lies beyond".
Simply an observation from someone with little knowledge like me that on face value there does not appear to be a practical benefit in the short or foreseeable future or within our lifetime.
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I dont agree.
For example, there is one project which focuses on the use of tuneling high energy beams in cancer treatment, another, on re-cycling spent radio active material, two examples of land mark research the everyday benefits of which could be significant.
I dont agree.
For example, there is one project which focuses on the use of tuneling high energy beams in cancer treatment, another, on re-cycling spent radio active material, two examples of land mark research the everyday benefits of which could be significant.
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One thing they are looking at is gravity. Something which is not undestood but plays are large part in flight. This may be a great step forward it is certainly a massive budget being spent.
Stop being so closed minded and miserable :-)
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One thing they are looking at is gravity. Something which is not undestood but plays are large part in flight. This may be a great step forward it is certainly a massive budget being spent.
Stop being so closed minded and miserable :-)
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There were times when it was believed that people would die of suffocation if they traveled faster than 25mph, the sound barrier was exactly that, impossible etc. And these times were not very long ago.
Just suppose we were to go back in time say 200yrs taking with us a laptop, a mobile phone, a handheld GPS unit, an F117 fully armed, a chainsaw. Complete of course with the entire infrastructure to back everything up. we would probably be burned as witches, or regarded as Gods. Either way the "Learned authorities" would be mind boggled that these things were possible, the scientific community would be fascinated, & the chainsaw would be top of the pops for most people!
If we start trying to stifle research because we know nothing about it & cannot see a reason for it, we will get nowhere & may as well go back to the swamp we came from.
By the way, visibility in a black hole is less than 10km so SVFR not possible.
Just suppose we were to go back in time say 200yrs taking with us a laptop, a mobile phone, a handheld GPS unit, an F117 fully armed, a chainsaw. Complete of course with the entire infrastructure to back everything up. we would probably be burned as witches, or regarded as Gods. Either way the "Learned authorities" would be mind boggled that these things were possible, the scientific community would be fascinated, & the chainsaw would be top of the pops for most people!
If we start trying to stifle research because we know nothing about it & cannot see a reason for it, we will get nowhere & may as well go back to the swamp we came from.
By the way, visibility in a black hole is less than 10km so SVFR not possible.
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Maybe there are already living creatures in space who have already overcome a lot of these questions and have travel which is way ahead of what we can imagine.
There are many who believe in UFOs. The question I would like to know is how would proving these theories in the tunnel open up new technologies or energy supplies which would open up new forms of long distance travel ?
Without going into fanciful realms of travelling through space and time in black holes. To me the possibilities of survival must be nil.
The possibility of travelling at near the speed of light not quite so fanciful?
The possibility of Nil gravity machines also not quite so fanciful to replace conventional travel around our planet.
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Maybe there are already living creatures in space who have already overcome a lot of these questions and have travel which is way ahead of what we can imagine.
There are many who believe in UFOs. The question I would like to know is how would proving these theories in the tunnel open up new technologies or energy supplies which would open up new forms of long distance travel ?
Without going into fanciful realms of travelling through space and time in black holes. To me the possibilities of survival must be nil.
The possibility of travelling at near the speed of light not quite so fanciful?
The possibility of Nil gravity machines also not quite so fanciful to replace conventional travel around our planet.
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During the days of nuclear research before the first detonation of the atom bomb, people thought that it would start a chain reaction that would destroy the planet. Nothing but mass destruction was expected of this research at that time, yet now we have power stations, various medical treatments, ships that run for years on a tankfull. Who is to know what spinoffs may result from this latest venture?
As for the UFO thing, I am a firm believer in anything is possible. We have developed stealth aircraft enough to suit our immediate purpose, if I were to visit a planet such as this one with it's distrusting, fragmented population, constant wars, total belief in "power is wealth" etc, I would develop the most sophisticated system of concealment I could before I came near this place. They could be thousands or millions of yrs ahead of us. There may be one or two of these guys standing right next to us right now having a laugh as they watch our guess work. The idea of some alien landing in a field with "Take me to your leader" is an utter ludicrousity, "You got this far without my help, find him your bloody self!!"
As far as space travel is concerned we have, in my opinion, only reached the stage that Wilbur & Orville were at in 1903 or was it 4? At the increasing rate of acceleration of technology we should be on Antares 4 in about 100yrs maybe less if we stop fighting in the playground among ourselves.
However with the current Government / Dictatorship type of rule very little will happen, unless someone parks a UFO the size of Belgium over Washington & says "This is the way you will behave!"
As for the UFO thing, I am a firm believer in anything is possible. We have developed stealth aircraft enough to suit our immediate purpose, if I were to visit a planet such as this one with it's distrusting, fragmented population, constant wars, total belief in "power is wealth" etc, I would develop the most sophisticated system of concealment I could before I came near this place. They could be thousands or millions of yrs ahead of us. There may be one or two of these guys standing right next to us right now having a laugh as they watch our guess work. The idea of some alien landing in a field with "Take me to your leader" is an utter ludicrousity, "You got this far without my help, find him your bloody self!!"
As far as space travel is concerned we have, in my opinion, only reached the stage that Wilbur & Orville were at in 1903 or was it 4? At the increasing rate of acceleration of technology we should be on Antares 4 in about 100yrs maybe less if we stop fighting in the playground among ourselves.
However with the current Government / Dictatorship type of rule very little will happen, unless someone parks a UFO the size of Belgium over Washington & says "This is the way you will behave!"
