Medical changes to CAA PPL.
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SEP v SSEA
Whopity, there isn't any difference between the two. They are both the same with different names simply to deliniate between the rating being held by a NPPL holder and a PPL pilot.
The NPPL licence held restricts the privileges to aircraft maximum weights less than a PPL and the number of passengers etc (without any reasonable logic).i.e the NPPL may fly a Piper Saratoga with six seats but only have 3 passengers. The aircraft can be flown at maximum weight but with the two spare seats occupied with anything but not with people.
The exemption as it is now is perfectly reasonable and clear. There can be no justification to require an expensive adninistration process.
The NPPL licence held restricts the privileges to aircraft maximum weights less than a PPL and the number of passengers etc (without any reasonable logic).i.e the NPPL may fly a Piper Saratoga with six seats but only have 3 passengers. The aircraft can be flown at maximum weight but with the two spare seats occupied with anything but not with people.
The exemption as it is now is perfectly reasonable and clear. There can be no justification to require an expensive adninistration process.
homeguard, originally we were going to recommend that the SSEA Rating should only allow the licence holder to hold privileges on 'Simple SEP aircraft of up to 2000 kg MTOW with seats for 4 PoB, including the pilot'. But we changed this to the more flexible 4 PoB rule as it currently stands to allow for those with larger aircraft.
I recommended to the CAA that, in order to avoid expensive, time consuming admin, it would be a lot simpler just to allow 'SEP + General Exemption' pilots not to need an additional SSEA Rating included in their licence. Fortunately, CAA legal agreed.
Where it gets compicated is if someone decides that they want to relinquish their SEP Rating in perpetuity, but maintain (for example) an old-style UK PPL. The forthcoming advice circular will describe the necessary process - but the good news is that the Authority intend it to attract no charge (apart from postage) and for the applicant to use the existing 'Inclusion of an Additional Class Rating' form available from the NPLG website. Which, incidentally, I designed.
The CAA have been extremely helpful and flexible in getting this General Exemption agreed - good to see that they are fully in favour of reducing administrative burdens wherever that can be achieved!!
I recommended to the CAA that, in order to avoid expensive, time consuming admin, it would be a lot simpler just to allow 'SEP + General Exemption' pilots not to need an additional SSEA Rating included in their licence. Fortunately, CAA legal agreed.
Where it gets compicated is if someone decides that they want to relinquish their SEP Rating in perpetuity, but maintain (for example) an old-style UK PPL. The forthcoming advice circular will describe the necessary process - but the good news is that the Authority intend it to attract no charge (apart from postage) and for the applicant to use the existing 'Inclusion of an Additional Class Rating' form available from the NPLG website. Which, incidentally, I designed.
The CAA have been extremely helpful and flexible in getting this General Exemption agreed - good to see that they are fully in favour of reducing administrative burdens wherever that can be achieved!!
They are both the same with different names simply to deliniate between the rating being held by a NPPL holder and a PPL pilot.
If your privileges are limited by virtue of this Exemption then you need the appropriate rating in the licence to exercise those privileges unless they issue an Exemption to Art 28.
If a pilot turns up for a revalidation with a SEP rating and is operating an SSEA the examiner could in theory revalidate the SEP rating based on the JAA criteria (no medical certificate is required) but the pilot is now required to meet the NPPL criteria and the Examiner cannot revalidate the SEP on the basis of that i.e. two half hour dual flights nor enter an SSEA revalidation if the rating is not in the licence!
Whopity, you've left the Belgrano now, so please allow the guys who are there now to decide policy.....
As I've said, the advice circular will make everything clearer.
Or should do!!
As I've said, the advice circular will make everything clearer.
Or should do!!
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Im reading this thread with great interest,as a lot of applies to my curcumstances and begs a question.Background-Frozen ATPL,Instructor,Jar licence,all ratings lapsed.Also hold lifetime CAA issued PPL.Currently no class 1 or 2 medical as have an issue with my eyelids possibly barring me from holding class 1 or 2.Had decide to gain an NPPL,then read this.Was considering a share in a PA 28 which is on the D-reg.Cant fly it on an NPPL,but can i now fly it on my CAA PPL with the medical declaration i have.?Sorry if this is a little off the subject but it relates to some of the issues that will be raised.
robione, the revised General Exemption merely gives you 'NPPL equivalence' when using a legacy UK PPL or CAA-issued JAR-FCL Pilot Licence with a Medical Declaration, rather than preventing you flying without otherwise having to pay for a NPPL.
That means your licence is not ICAO-compliant; if you wish to fly an aircraft which is not registered in the UK, you must contact the State of Registration and obtain their consent to fly the aircraft using a non JAR-FCL Pilot Licence and UK Medical Declaration.
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Could comeone help with a definition of SSEA?
I have a UK PPL, can I now get my GP to provide me with a medical rather than spending half a day and £200+ for my class 2. I only want to fly my single seat 1300lb 200 HP CS prop aircraft around in the UK in VMC.
If I can get my GP to provide me with this, then will there be any catch in the future if I wish to revert back to my UK PPL and Class 2 medical ie can I just get a class 2 medical at that time and go back to where I am now?
Many thanks
ZA
I have a UK PPL, can I now get my GP to provide me with a medical rather than spending half a day and £200+ for my class 2. I only want to fly my single seat 1300lb 200 HP CS prop aircraft around in the UK in VMC.
If I can get my GP to provide me with this, then will there be any catch in the future if I wish to revert back to my UK PPL and Class 2 medical ie can I just get a class 2 medical at that time and go back to where I am now?
Many thanks
ZA
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NPPL/PPL and all that
The term SSEA means Simple Single Engine Aeroplanes.
The Medical Declaration is a simple form on which you self-certifiy your health but your personal GP (or Doctor within the same Practice), with whom you are registered, is required to countersign it. The form may be downloaded from the NPPL website and has detailed guidance notes attached to inform your GP. However the standards are those of the DVLA Professional Drivers and will be well known by most GP's. The validy periods are included within the notes.
You may have a JAR compliant medical whenever you chose in the future.
There is no requirement to inform the CAA that you will be operating on a Medical Declaration. Your recorded status therefore remains unchanged, although should an official wish to check you will be recorded as a PPL with a lapsed medical. Should you be required to produce a medical cerificate, then you will, of course, be required to show your valid Medical Declaration.
If it all seems too simple then as BEagle saids, don't complain when the CAA choses to be so simply pragmatic. Well done the CAA.
The Medical Declaration is a simple form on which you self-certifiy your health but your personal GP (or Doctor within the same Practice), with whom you are registered, is required to countersign it. The form may be downloaded from the NPPL website and has detailed guidance notes attached to inform your GP. However the standards are those of the DVLA Professional Drivers and will be well known by most GP's. The validy periods are included within the notes.
You may have a JAR compliant medical whenever you chose in the future.
There is no requirement to inform the CAA that you will be operating on a Medical Declaration. Your recorded status therefore remains unchanged, although should an official wish to check you will be recorded as a PPL with a lapsed medical. Should you be required to produce a medical cerificate, then you will, of course, be required to show your valid Medical Declaration.
If it all seems too simple then as BEagle saids, don't complain when the CAA choses to be so simply pragmatic. Well done the CAA.
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Homeguard,
Thanks for the clarification. I should have been clearer, I was asking what the rules were for an aircraft to be an SSEA. ie does it exclude aircraft with a wobbly prop or wobbly wheels which have been called complex before.
ZA
Thanks for the clarification. I should have been clearer, I was asking what the rules were for an aircraft to be an SSEA. ie does it exclude aircraft with a wobbly prop or wobbly wheels which have been called complex before.
ZA
Provided that you have had the appropriate training for VP, RG and 140+KIAS (if appropriate), then you can indeed fly a single seat 1300lb 200 HP CS prop aircraft around in the UK in VMC using a SSEA Class Rating. ENJOY!!
You won't even need to complete the 1 hr of training flying with an authorised instructor if you don't wish to carry passengers in any SSEA - and your SSEA Class Rating will then be restricted to SSEAs fitted with a single seat!
And before any idiots start, 'single seat' does not include a C152 flown solo!
You won't even need to complete the 1 hr of training flying with an authorised instructor if you don't wish to carry passengers in any SSEA - and your SSEA Class Rating will then be restricted to SSEAs fitted with a single seat!
And before any idiots start, 'single seat' does not include a C152 flown solo!
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Homeguard,many thanks for that and Beagle.
Just to make sure I am reading it correctly.
If before my next Class 2 medical renewal date I just get the local doctor to sign a medical declaration,I can then fly as an NPPL with it's restrictions ,and not inform anyone else.
I would out of courtesy inform the group I fly with.
Sounds great!
Lister
Just to make sure I am reading it correctly.
If before my next Class 2 medical renewal date I just get the local doctor to sign a medical declaration,I can then fly as an NPPL with it's restrictions ,and not inform anyone else.
I would out of courtesy inform the group I fly with.
Sounds great!
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Ors4 711
May be a dumb question but I've been trying to find out if 711 is being renewed/superceeded after aug 09. I've emailed the CAA and spoken with them. Email gets no reply and when speaking no one knows. Any one out there know what's happening?
