Allocation of PIC vs pax hours in group flying

[foxmoth]

and the non-insured pilot

robin - read the posts, no one is suggesting he flies uninsured, many of the posts here, almost everyone, has said about getting put on the group insurance, so no problem if this is done!

[jxk]

I'm sorry but if I've put a considerable amount of money and time into a group I would be highly annoyed if I found another group member was letting one of their mates fly the plane on the cheap. There are always people trying to get something for nothing. When it comes right down to it you know in your heart of hearts its not really legit that a pax should be able to book PIC.

[IO540]

The only problem I see is if (after a serious incident) the logbooks are looked at

Are they? My experience (only a one off though) is that pilot logbooks are not looked at, other than to determine necessary extra ratings (like the FAA high-perf signoff). And anyway in this case the loss adjuster would look only at the club member's logbook (he has no idea that somebody else was looking at logging the time instead) and hopefully there won't be an entry there at all; the member will just say he forgot to log it.

However, there is a practical problem with all this, and that is if somebody gets injured. People then change, and if somebody can drop you in the s*** and get a better insurance payout, they generally will. But this thread was about legality.

I was always given the example of the Graham Hill crash where the insurers failed to pay out.

I have tried but never found out why they didn't pay out. It was said his CofA was invalid but why? GH was not short of money and being an "engineer type" was not unattentive to detail. I wonder if somehow the plane was not U.S. citizen owned? There isn't much that can invalidate a U.S. CofA because it runs indefinitely. The aircraft needs a release to service (Annual) but that's pretty obvious.

[rightbank]

I'd be interested to see if they pay out on the Colin Montgomery crash given that his licence appears to have expired

I think you mean Colin McRae the rally driver. Colin Montgomerie, the golfer, is still very much alive and playing in this weeks British open golf championship

[robin]

Sorry - wrong sport.......

[PlasticPilot]

Another issue could be post flight examination of the plane and group member logbook in case of "undetected" incident. Let's admit that the flight went fine, but you busted a military zone or controlled airpsace.

CAA will find the name of the group member in the plane logbook, but no entry in his logbook. Is that person ready to take over that responsibility ?