IMCR Training dead ?
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IMCR Training dead ?
Was reading the GPS thread and saw a quote from IO540:
Is this true ? Are people really dropping out of it ? I was going to do the IMCR in Autumn. Even if it gets dropped I still get 3 years out of it. It will also sharpen those skills.
I saw quotes for around £2300 all in, which seems resonable.
IMCR training is nearly dead now (due to the uncertainty);
I saw quotes for around £2300 all in, which seems resonable.
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From: U.K.
No it isn't "dead" there are still plenty of people taking IMC courses and whilst there aren't massive numbers of people to teach it anymore, most schools can get hold of someone easily who can put you through the mill.
It is a useful course and all we need now is for EASA to come up with a sensible Europe wide rating. Though I fear we may be waiting some time.............
It is a useful course and all we need now is for EASA to come up with a sensible Europe wide rating. Though I fear we may be waiting some time.............
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From: london
Not dead yet - as it the very least it has 4 years to run before easa can put a gun to it's head. However, even if it does get snuffed out by our friends in euroland (who think that the IMC is a bad idea, but the brevet de bas is a good idea...i mean, you couldn't make it up!) the IMC training could save you life one day - just do it, you won't regret it.
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From: EuroGA.org
The IMCR is not dead - there are 4 years to run and there is a chance that some grandfather solution will be found then.
I said "IMCR training" and sadly this is supported by the IMCR award figures published in Flight Training News. The awards are down a factor of 3 on a few years ago.
I have no idea why the drop in training - is the UK GA flying / pilot profile changing that much, are people really abandoning the IFR certified spamcan scene, are some/many schools not promoting it, whatever? It certainly isn't due to the recent EASA inspired situation; the decline is almost linear from much further back.
I said "IMCR training" and sadly this is supported by the IMCR award figures published in Flight Training News. The awards are down a factor of 3 on a few years ago.
I have no idea why the drop in training - is the UK GA flying / pilot profile changing that much, are people really abandoning the IFR certified spamcan scene, are some/many schools not promoting it, whatever? It certainly isn't due to the recent EASA inspired situation; the decline is almost linear from much further back.
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From: scotland
Could the lack of applicants be due to the recent and ongoing crisis thats hit so many people and actually have nothing to do with aviation.
So many people are tightening their belts and I wonder if PPL`s are focusing their funds on VFR only.
I, like others recommend the training. Even if it becomes obsolete you still have a few years left of ligitimate IMC flying in UK and more importantly it may save your bacon one day just having the knowledge.
Go for it and enjoy
So many people are tightening their belts and I wonder if PPL`s are focusing their funds on VFR only.
I, like others recommend the training. Even if it becomes obsolete you still have a few years left of ligitimate IMC flying in UK and more importantly it may save your bacon one day just having the knowledge.
Go for it and enjoy
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sure
Could the lack of applicants be due to the recent and ongoing crisis thats hit so many people and actually have nothing to do with aviation
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From: High seas
I did the imc rating some years ago (16 actually) purely to sharpen my skills and make me a more confident pilot, and to save my bacon one day - which it did very shortly after passing it.
The knowledge is valuable, even if the piece of paper isn't for much longer.
The knowledge is valuable, even if the piece of paper isn't for much longer.
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From: EGCC, EGGP, Relocatable to all UK
Doing IMC at the moment, though yes I did have to move schools to be able to get an instructor that was available and certified to teach it.
I'm sure it wont be long before I get to use it, far too often I've taken off with a nice clear blue sky cavok and returned an hour later to find some 1000 base +RAGS.
I want it to primarily make sure I can get myself down safe but also to lessen the 5 times on the run 'cant fly coz of weather' line.
As for the future I would hope they may do as the have with the BCPL ie currents get grandfather rights.
Or is there reasons they cant do that ?
Not that I've used it for this purpose but useful if your going to France/eu as you can pop up above in the uk and provided it's clear in France/eu then your happily back in vmc.
Ian
I'm sure it wont be long before I get to use it, far too often I've taken off with a nice clear blue sky cavok and returned an hour later to find some 1000 base +RAGS.
I want it to primarily make sure I can get myself down safe but also to lessen the 5 times on the run 'cant fly coz of weather' line.
As for the future I would hope they may do as the have with the BCPL ie currents get grandfather rights.
Or is there reasons they cant do that ?
Not that I've used it for this purpose but useful if your going to France/eu as you can pop up above in the uk and provided it's clear in France/eu then your happily back in vmc.
Ian
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From: Worcester
Just started mine at Wellesbourne. I think this is one area that the law is an ass. The CAA should be actively encouraging PPLs and NPPLs to add this rating to their licences. Ok it's a UK only rating but I get the impression many foreign pilots would like the privalige or something similar, the Irish for example. Just because the rating is not valid it does not mean you cannot do the training for it and if other european pilots came here for the training and pushed the advantages maybe we could have a europe wide IMCR.
Well one can dream
Well one can dream
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From: Down at the sharp pointy end, where all the weather is made.
In our little Group of 22, we have 3 people currently doing IMC training and a 4th starting soon. Other schools I know of also have an on-going IMC student list.
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Do the IMC whilst you can. You will always have grandfather rights to use it. If EASA decide the new instrument rating is longer (and more expensive- it won't be cheaper) that will then be your only choice.
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aiming to start the course in the Autumn
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From: essex
I hope you are all going to reply to the EASA NPA on pilot licensing..
see:-
http://www.pprune.org/forums/private...licencing.html
And quote that the S in EASA stands for Safety and they are doing away(potentially) with the IMCR which must be one of the safeist ratings. And let they are introducing the french Brevet system which is one of the most unsafetiest....
see:-
http://www.pprune.org/forums/private...licencing.html
And quote that the S in EASA stands for Safety and they are doing away(potentially) with the IMCR which must be one of the safeist ratings. And let they are introducing the french Brevet system which is one of the most unsafetiest....
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From: UK
Originally Posted by IO540
Like I said, the decline goes back much further.
Unfortunately posting a graphic here is such a hassle because I have to host it somewhere first...
Unfortunately posting a graphic here is such a hassle because I have to host it somewhere first...
PPL IMC Rating (Figures approx.)
2002: 780
2003: 550
2004: 520
2005: 380
2006: 350
2007: 250
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Thank you Pianorak - I recall these.
There has to be some fairly structural reason for this type of decline.
It's a real shame since the IMCR is a fantastic privilege - also giving VMC on top privileges worldwide, which I have found priceless for VFR touring around Europe.
The full IR is much nicer in terms of blanket go-anywhere privileges but it is a far bigger project.
There has to be some fairly structural reason for this type of decline.
It's a real shame since the IMCR is a fantastic privilege - also giving VMC on top privileges worldwide, which I have found priceless for VFR touring around Europe.
The full IR is much nicer in terms of blanket go-anywhere privileges but it is a far bigger project.
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From: Worcester
IO504
If an IMCR is a UK only rating how can it give VFR on top privileges world wide? Surely outside the UK you have to be in sight of the surface and have the correct separation from cloud for the ascent and descent through few, scattered or broken cloud. Or am I missing something here?
Chris
If an IMCR is a UK only rating how can it give VFR on top privileges world wide? Surely outside the UK you have to be in sight of the surface and have the correct separation from cloud for the ascent and descent through few, scattered or broken cloud. Or am I missing something here?
Chris
