Planes Stuck on Top of Each Other at Texas Airport
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Wow lucky escape!. Looks like if the piper was higher in it's decent or the other plane further forward the prop could have cut up the canopy. I'm assuming that because he would have been in the final stages of landing the RPM would have been low, a good thing.
Merlin:
Have a little charity, obviously with your wonderful skills, you have never made a mistake. Obviously the Piper would have gone around if the pilot had X ray eyes and saw what was underneath him.
A slightly similar incident at night killed an student near here.
All it takes is two simultaneous radio transmissions and a little inattention. The high wing masks the aircraft on final and of course the low wing masks the aircraft underneath.
Anyway a good landing is one you walk away from.
Why the **** didn't that idiot abort & go around, numpty!
A slightly similar incident at night killed an student near here.
All it takes is two simultaneous radio transmissions and a little inattention. The high wing masks the aircraft on final and of course the low wing masks the aircraft underneath.
Anyway a good landing is one you walk away from.
Same thing happened to a friend of mine about 40 years ago. The Cherokee landed on top of his Piper Colt, the prop cuts were about 4 inches behind his head. Don't remember about the student in the left seat. Went on to be a US Air captain, so worked OK.
Just a round about way of saying high wing and low wing planes repeat this accident ever once in awhile.
GF
Just a round about way of saying high wing and low wing planes repeat this accident ever once in awhile.
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Hmmm.....
I think the female is a Stinson, making this a mixed coupling.
Sunfish- You're right of course. No harm no foul. My buddy was killed in an eerily similar wreck. Mooney landed on top of a just launched 152. Both in the Cessna perished. The red and white trainer sat vertical half way down 12, crunched into its wing struts. Rip Wally.
Sunfish- You're right of course. No harm no foul. My buddy was killed in an eerily similar wreck. Mooney landed on top of a just launched 152. Both in the Cessna perished. The red and white trainer sat vertical half way down 12, crunched into its wing struts. Rip Wally.
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Remember where you are in the circuit
A similar incident happened to me at Elstree back in the 60's. I was doing solo consolidation circuits and was certain I was number three but the tower said I was number two. I asked them to confirm that which they did - but I was still certain I was correct as I was always very wary in the circuit. I turned on to base leg and just before turning finals was told I was number one and cleared to land. At that stage I could not see any other aircraft at or about the same height.
Just as I had set myself up on finals I suddenly saw a set of wheels - I swear not more than 20 feet above me - and immediately put the nose down and turned to the dead side telling the tower in no uncertain terms what I thought of them. When I was back in the school I was simply told that the controller had made a mistake and that the other aircarft was making an especially steep approach!!
Just as I had set myself up on finals I suddenly saw a set of wheels - I swear not more than 20 feet above me - and immediately put the nose down and turned to the dead side telling the tower in no uncertain terms what I thought of them. When I was back in the school I was simply told that the controller had made a mistake and that the other aircarft was making an especially steep approach!!
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This happened in Rieti, Italy some year ago. Same dynamic. The pilots escaped unharmed and soaked in gasoline...
http://www.flightclub.it/mediawiki/i...trainatore.jpg
The two planes are being rebuilt an at least one of them will fly again soon
http://www.flightclub.it/mediawiki/i...trainatore.jpg
The two planes are being rebuilt an at least one of them will fly again soon
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Why the **** didn't that idiot abort & go around, numpty!
In response to the above comment
Order of Landing.
An aircraft on final approach has right of way over others in flight or on the surface.
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Order of Landing.
An aircraft on final approach has right of way over others in flight or on the surface.
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I had it during training too. I was with instructor and we were establishd on final, radio call made, etc. Someone - never found out who, and it wasn't the A/G operator, called on the radio "There are two aircraft on final, one above the other."
I had no idea what to do for the best and my instructor wasn't entirely sure. Fortunately, we had to do nothing - the other aircraft quickly announced that he'd break off and we continued for our landing without any avoiding action.
I still wonder what would be the best course of action. Avoiding action is safer when you can see the aircraft you're trying to avoid. Not knowing whether you're top or bottom of the pair of aircraft is worrying.
I had no idea what to do for the best and my instructor wasn't entirely sure. Fortunately, we had to do nothing - the other aircraft quickly announced that he'd break off and we continued for our landing without any avoiding action.
I still wonder what would be the best course of action. Avoiding action is safer when you can see the aircraft you're trying to avoid. Not knowing whether you're top or bottom of the pair of aircraft is worrying.
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This has happened at least three times in Oz:
1 Jandakot - non-fatal
2 Moorabbin - a particularly nasty fatal as the lower aircraft burst into flames
3 Bankstown - also fatal, a Pitts landed on top of an elderly student.
The photos may look funny but the reality may be very far from it.
1 Jandakot - non-fatal
2 Moorabbin - a particularly nasty fatal as the lower aircraft burst into flames
3 Bankstown - also fatal, a Pitts landed on top of an elderly student.
The photos may look funny but the reality may be very far from it.
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Nice picture. Well, this is just another mishap in the aviation history caused by lack of situational awareness.
It is a catastrophic mistake with positive end (no fatalities).
However though, I would advice both pilot to take an awareness training.
WP
It is a catastrophic mistake with positive end (no fatalities).However though, I would advice both pilot to take an awareness training.
WP
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This could have happened to me!
Hi Guys,
Back in the mid 60s, one day I was flying a Piper Colt into Barton. At that time, we all flew non-radio and the Colt had only recently been introduced into the UK as a training aeroplane.
Until very shortly before the time in question, Austers and Tiger Moths had been the standard training machines, and it had been standard practice to teach pilots to do all landings from a glide approach, so most pilots were still using this type of approach as standard.
The Colt had short wings, no flaps and a relatively high approach speed. It also sinks like a brick if you turn the power off, so flat powered approaches were the order of the day.
At that time, there were still a lot of Auster J1s in use. These had a very low range of approach speeds and large flaps capable of deflecting to 55 degrees, giving a very steep approach.
I was on final, approaching into the evening sun and could not see ahead very well. I then spotted an Auster flying perhaps a hundred or so feet above and perhaps 150 yards ahead of me. I saw those huge flaps come down to maximum deflection and the aeroplane descended like a lift in front of me. I had to abort my landing and overshoot.
Had I been a couple of hundred yards further forward there is every possibility that the Auster could have landed on top of me.
I think now you can see why I love the Sky Arrow so much. With the occupants seated in tandem and the engine and wings behind you, you have the sort of visibility you might only expect in some kind of fighter.
Broomstick.
Back in the mid 60s, one day I was flying a Piper Colt into Barton. At that time, we all flew non-radio and the Colt had only recently been introduced into the UK as a training aeroplane.
Until very shortly before the time in question, Austers and Tiger Moths had been the standard training machines, and it had been standard practice to teach pilots to do all landings from a glide approach, so most pilots were still using this type of approach as standard.
The Colt had short wings, no flaps and a relatively high approach speed. It also sinks like a brick if you turn the power off, so flat powered approaches were the order of the day.
At that time, there were still a lot of Auster J1s in use. These had a very low range of approach speeds and large flaps capable of deflecting to 55 degrees, giving a very steep approach.
I was on final, approaching into the evening sun and could not see ahead very well. I then spotted an Auster flying perhaps a hundred or so feet above and perhaps 150 yards ahead of me. I saw those huge flaps come down to maximum deflection and the aeroplane descended like a lift in front of me. I had to abort my landing and overshoot.
Had I been a couple of hundred yards further forward there is every possibility that the Auster could have landed on top of me.
I think now you can see why I love the Sky Arrow so much. With the occupants seated in tandem and the engine and wings behind you, you have the sort of visibility you might only expect in some kind of fighter.
Broomstick.
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Piggy Back Landings
OK, so Runway space can get tight but this is beyond a joke guys.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/7406041.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/7406041.stm
