Glenforsa Update
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I did see the posts.
And to be honest as with many complaints in aviation alot of people like moaning but nobody will bite the bullet and report them to the correct people.
You have 2 options MOR about your concerns but unfortunately there are no recordings and proving anything will be difficult. And your name will be known
Or phone crime stoppers and report that someone is operating in an aviation enviroment with your concern.
Anything else is slander
And to be honest as with many complaints in aviation alot of people like moaning but nobody will bite the bullet and report them to the correct people.
You have 2 options MOR about your concerns but unfortunately there are no recordings and proving anything will be difficult. And your name will be known
Or phone crime stoppers and report that someone is operating in an aviation enviroment with your concern.
Anything else is slander
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Mad jock yes your rite we do like to complain and never really follow it up but i can assure you this has been followed up and made known to the correct people. And i am not trying to slander anybody before we go down that road. I have a valid point as being that pilot on the receiving end of this Crap its not nice.
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Thanks Connel I wasn't accusing you of slander just making the point.
But as you possibly know the CAA really lacks teeth north of the border due to the legal system. So if you think there are issues your best contacting the police. If the local bobby is anything like the rest on the West coasts Hamish MacBeths words will be said in a fairly forth right manner with no discussion and the problem will not happen again.
But as you possibly know the CAA really lacks teeth north of the border due to the legal system. So if you think there are issues your best contacting the police. If the local bobby is anything like the rest on the West coasts Hamish MacBeths words will be said in a fairly forth right manner with no discussion and the problem will not happen again.
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DH is not a controller, he is an airfield manager. At least he gave you a heads up on the situation with the C130s.
Glenforsa is in the open FIR like most of Scotland. VFR rules are see and avoid.
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DH is not a controller, he is an airfield manager. At least he gave you a heads up on the situation with the C130s.
Glenforsa is in the open FIR like most of Scotland. VFR rules are see and avoid.
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I agree. Do you get info on the times and routes of low flying jets when departing Mull, Oban, or indeed Tiree, Wick, Benbecula and a host of other airfields with no radar? No you don't. Are they a bigger threat than Hercs? You bet. Max 2 pairs of eyes looking for you, maybe only one, cf at least 3 in a Herc. Hercs are massive - you'll see them as well as them seeing you. And they fly at half the speed of the jets.
Keep your eyes peeled and your fingers crossed
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I agree. Do you get info on the times and routes of low flying jets when departing Mull, Oban, or indeed Tiree, Wick, Benbecula and a host of other airfields with no radar? No you don't. Are they a bigger threat than Hercs? You bet. Max 2 pairs of eyes looking for you, maybe only one, cf at least 3 in a Herc. Hercs are massive - you'll see them as well as them seeing you. And they fly at half the speed of the jets.
Keep your eyes peeled and your fingers crossed
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Do you get info on the times and routes of low flying jets when departing Mull,
You also don't get told when the 'airport manager' has invited some hercs to fly through the circuit while not announcing their intentions on the airport frequency!
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As there seems some confusion regarding the Mull freq. 120.800 I got my ops department to check the info from the CAA......It appears that 120.800 was asigned to Mull some months back but it will now be up to the local authority to promulgate the information as how and when they intend to use it........hope that may clear up a little confusion!!! 
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I haven't been to Glenforsa since the Oban development saga started, but the world doesn't change that much the problem is people and their attitudes.
As has been said several times both fields are PPR for briefing and that will be by airfield management to tell you what the local rules are and make sure that the fields are basically serviceable if they allow you in. That's how it was when I last went.
The only radio is A/G and safetycom, therefore if you have PPR all other decisions on landing take off and aircraft safety are down to the pilot. It's up to said pilot to decide what advice (if any) he will consider.
For what it's worth last time I was there I called at Oban for fuel and was royally served by paul and Co. At Glenforsa I landed between two windsocks pointing at other and the airfield manager "loaned" me a car which I used for touring and the hospitality at the Hotel could not have been bettered anywhere IMHO. When it was time to go home I took off into 700 ft cloud base climbed along the sound using GPS until I was at MSA and then turned on course home and called Scottish Info (jolly nice chaps) none of this was in any way dodgy as far as I was concerned and I'd happily go again tomorrow if my aeroplane was serviceable
As has been said several times both fields are PPR for briefing and that will be by airfield management to tell you what the local rules are and make sure that the fields are basically serviceable if they allow you in. That's how it was when I last went.
The only radio is A/G and safetycom, therefore if you have PPR all other decisions on landing take off and aircraft safety are down to the pilot. It's up to said pilot to decide what advice (if any) he will consider.
For what it's worth last time I was there I called at Oban for fuel and was royally served by paul and Co. At Glenforsa I landed between two windsocks pointing at other and the airfield manager "loaned" me a car which I used for touring and the hospitality at the Hotel could not have been bettered anywhere IMHO. When it was time to go home I took off into 700 ft cloud base climbed along the sound using GPS until I was at MSA and then turned on course home and called Scottish Info (jolly nice chaps) none of this was in any way dodgy as far as I was concerned and I'd happily go again tomorrow if my aeroplane was serviceable
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When it was time to go home I took off into 700 ft cloud base climbed along the sound using GPS until I was at MSA and then turned on course home
Seriously, you think this isn't dodgy? Could you let me know what you think is, as I obviously need to adjust my "this terrifies the cr*p out of me" meter installed in my brain.
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OK then, I will take the bait and await the flak.. We all accept that a climb or descent on conventional radio navaids/ILS etc is the apparently "safe" norm. So for the pilot with IFR approved installed GPS unit on board and perhaps a couple of back up portables, are these any more unreliable than the conventional aids? or perhaps even more reliable, more intuitive, and more easily programmable for this type of ad hoc operation? or do we just accept that regardless of qualifications , experience, equipment or expediency we do not fly in a 700 foot overcast?
Edited to say that pursuing this subject will result in serious thread drift which is not appropriate for such an important thread topic!
Edited to say that pursuing this subject will result in serious thread drift which is not appropriate for such an important thread topic!
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You have no radar protection, you are not at a recognised flight level for your heading, and you are IMC within 1000ft of the ground. Nothing to stop blogs coming the other way in the decent doing the same thing. If you were single engine you would have had about 20 seconds before you hit something if the engine had stopped. Depends on your personal risk threshold, but it would not have worked for me.
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A long way up, but you have the benefit of an approved SID using tried and tested machinery and procedures. A totally different proposition from making something up on the fly in an SEP machine.
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Glenforsa Fly In
This is Glenforsa this morning on the occasion of the 42nd annual fly in.
And This is the view from the Glenforsa Hotel webcam taken at the same time.
You have to ask the question, why would Argyll & Bute Council want to foster the impression that the airfield is unused?
GF
And This is the view from the Glenforsa Hotel webcam taken at the same time.You have to ask the question, why would Argyll & Bute Council want to foster the impression that the airfield is unused?
GF