Do you think this is a good PPL package?
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From: Cranfield UK
Basic cost of dual training here at Cranfield is £130 x 45 = 5850 less discount if paid in installments which would pay for the Transair PPL pack or similar at £199ish and is still is a long way off £6795 but then if a Cessna 150 is not to your liking then you may have to pay for it...
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From: England
have you considered the nppl ? rather than ppl
£3250 for 25hrs inc all you need
http://flycb.com/
a whole lot cheaper
£3250 for 25hrs inc all you need
http://flycb.com/
a whole lot cheaper
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The Cost
The JAA/EASA PPL is 45 hours which may include flight tests.
The NPPL is a minimum of 32 hours PLUS two tests which will bring the minimum hours up to nearer 35 hours. Most though will still do the same number of hours as the JAA PPL to complete, that is 50 - 65 hours. The written exams are the same.
Microlite is 25 hours but my Microlite instructor friends tell me that most microliters usually take in excess of fifty hours of flight training.
Looking at advertised prices the Microlite costs are 15-20% cheaper, at the very best, than the PPL/NPPL. You then have to purchase a Microlite, so be ready to fork out anything between £15 - 45 grand for something new. Shares are available of course, but not such a good deal really.
The NPPL is a minimum of 32 hours PLUS two tests which will bring the minimum hours up to nearer 35 hours. Most though will still do the same number of hours as the JAA PPL to complete, that is 50 - 65 hours. The written exams are the same.
Microlite is 25 hours but my Microlite instructor friends tell me that most microliters usually take in excess of fifty hours of flight training.
Looking at advertised prices the Microlite costs are 15-20% cheaper, at the very best, than the PPL/NPPL. You then have to purchase a Microlite, so be ready to fork out anything between £15 - 45 grand for something new. Shares are available of course, but not such a good deal really.
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From: Scotland
why not check out Highland Flying School in Inverness, they have better than average weather and now offer accomodation at a very cheap price.
It may be too far away for you but you can do it in stages,
http://www.highlandflyingschool.co.u...d=15&Itemid=32
It may be too far away for you but you can do it in stages,
http://www.highlandflyingschool.co.u...d=15&Itemid=32
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From: Strathaven Airfield
"You then have to purchase a Microlite, so be ready to fork out anything between £15 - 45 grand for something new. Shares are available of course, but not such a good deal really."
No longer. Microlights are now legally available for hire for two seat use - the single seat restriction has now been lifted.
Very best.
Colin
ps. Microlight flying is very different from Warrior flying! (dare I say more fun due to the higher power to weight ratio!)
No longer. Microlights are now legally available for hire for two seat use - the single seat restriction has now been lifted.
Very best.
Colin
ps. Microlight flying is very different from Warrior flying! (dare I say more fun due to the higher power to weight ratio!)
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From: England
The JAA/EASA PPL is 45 hours which may include flight tests.
The NPPL is a minimum of 32 hours PLUS two tests which will bring the minimum hours up to nearer 35 hours. Most though will still do the same number of hours as the JAA PPL to complete, that is 50 - 65 hours. The written exams are the same.
Microlite is 25 hours but my Microlite instructor friends tell me that most microliters usually take in excess of fifty hours of flight training.
Looking at advertised prices the Microlite costs are 15-20% cheaper, at the very best, than the PPL/NPPL. You then have to purchase a Microlite, so be ready to fork out anything between £15 - 45 grand for something new. Shares are available of course, but not such a good deal really.
I took my nppl m, & only took ONE test, ( GST ) + the usual exams, so where you get TWO from I don't know !
+ a modern 3 axis microlights, will out perform most ancient american pump engined machines, at a fraction of the cost, ( to buy / rent / maintain / run )oh and there very very quite, so you don't annoy anyone
The NPPL is a minimum of 32 hours PLUS two tests which will bring the minimum hours up to nearer 35 hours. Most though will still do the same number of hours as the JAA PPL to complete, that is 50 - 65 hours. The written exams are the same.
Microlite is 25 hours but my Microlite instructor friends tell me that most microliters usually take in excess of fifty hours of flight training.
Looking at advertised prices the Microlite costs are 15-20% cheaper, at the very best, than the PPL/NPPL. You then have to purchase a Microlite, so be ready to fork out anything between £15 - 45 grand for something new. Shares are available of course, but not such a good deal really.
I took my nppl m, & only took ONE test, ( GST ) + the usual exams, so where you get TWO from I don't know !
+ a modern 3 axis microlights, will out perform most ancient american pump engined machines, at a fraction of the cost, ( to buy / rent / maintain / run )oh and there very very quite, so you don't annoy anyone
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From: SoCal
For that kind of cash, you could go to the US, get an FAA license (which you can use in the UK) AND probably put about 50 hours or so post-license in the logbook. At the current exchange rate a no-brainer, really.
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From: South Wales
you could go to the US, get an FAA license (which you can use in the UK)
I've seen FAA PPL's for around the £3k mark (excluding accommodation and return flights).
I did look down this route and was under the impression I could get my FAA PPL and say 50hrs (as said in the post above), come home and enroll on BGS's ATPL course after finishing the course going back out to the US clocking up a few more hours and doing an FAA IR and a JAA CPL.
Come back to the UK convert my FAA IR to a JAA ME-IR with only a MCC to do before having gaining my fATPL.
Would the above work? and if I can't fly 'G' reg AC then I can't really take up my friends and family for a flight and share the joys of flying
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Alphamale,
On an ICAO PPL (i.e which a FAA PPL is) you are allowed to fly UK registered aircraft in the UK but are limited to day VFR flying only and I expect you are also limited to flying in UK airspace. So as for your plan to do an FAA PPL in order to commence ATPL Ground school, that should be fine. You will obvioulsy need to few hours to get used to UK airspace, but that shouldn't be a major problem.
Avoid doing any JAA approved training in the US, there is nothing wrong with the training standards, it is just in the US schools also tend to charge extra for the JAA approval compared to the equivalent FAA course. So do the FAA CPL as well then convert both the CPL and IR back in the UK. Remember converting the FAA ratings isn't necessarily cheaper but there are still a number of N reg aircraft in the UK so it is useful to have both JAA and FAA ratings. Also in your position you could get a J1 visa and work in the US as an instructor, so do FAA CPL, IR and FAA CFI, instruct FAA stuff in the US for a year. That way you could be working as an instructor while studying for your JAA ATPL thoery ( I do believe Naples offer ATPL thoery course in the US or did). That way at the end of the year you could have a 1000 hours, ATPL theory passed and ready to convert to the JAA CPL and IR.
On an ICAO PPL (i.e which a FAA PPL is) you are allowed to fly UK registered aircraft in the UK but are limited to day VFR flying only and I expect you are also limited to flying in UK airspace. So as for your plan to do an FAA PPL in order to commence ATPL Ground school, that should be fine. You will obvioulsy need to few hours to get used to UK airspace, but that shouldn't be a major problem.
Avoid doing any JAA approved training in the US, there is nothing wrong with the training standards, it is just in the US schools also tend to charge extra for the JAA approval compared to the equivalent FAA course. So do the FAA CPL as well then convert both the CPL and IR back in the UK. Remember converting the FAA ratings isn't necessarily cheaper but there are still a number of N reg aircraft in the UK so it is useful to have both JAA and FAA ratings. Also in your position you could get a J1 visa and work in the US as an instructor, so do FAA CPL, IR and FAA CFI, instruct FAA stuff in the US for a year. That way you could be working as an instructor while studying for your JAA ATPL thoery ( I do believe Naples offer ATPL thoery course in the US or did). That way at the end of the year you could have a 1000 hours, ATPL theory passed and ready to convert to the JAA CPL and IR.
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On an ICAO PPL you are allowed to fly UK registered aircraft in the UK but are limited to day VFR flying only and I expect you are also limited to flying in UK airspace
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On an ICAO PPL you are allowed to fly UK registered aircraft in the UK but are limited to day VFR flying only
J.
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Whirlygig, very valid points, it has not been unknown for those that have completed four week ppls (either FAA or JAA approved) in the US to need anything from 10 to 20 hours training to get them up to standard.
The problem with completing a PPL in four weeks is it doesn't present the opportunity to expose the student to a range of weather conditions, also the nature of the schools offering these four week packages (especially the JAA approved ones) in the US are more often than not of a dubious nature.
Don't get me wrong there are plenty of good schools in the US, but also remember when I was doing my CPL in the US, the PPL students at the same school were taking 6 to 8 weeks to complete a "fast track" four week ppl.
The problem with completing a PPL in four weeks is it doesn't present the opportunity to expose the student to a range of weather conditions, also the nature of the schools offering these four week packages (especially the JAA approved ones) in the US are more often than not of a dubious nature.
Don't get me wrong there are plenty of good schools in the US, but also remember when I was doing my CPL in the US, the PPL students at the same school were taking 6 to 8 weeks to complete a "fast track" four week ppl.