Internet flight plan filing coming soon
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"Can I count on your vote?"
Erm, I don't think so - but your 'spin team' are obviously doing a great job on the GA community behind the scenes!
Just to go back one step -
""Maybe you should ring the FBU and ask, they are there 24/7 aren't they?"
Actually, assuming that the staff there are prepared to discuss it, this might be a very good idea for anybody who wants to know about NATS' visions for their flight planning service in the future. Thank you for that, FlyUK.
Erm, I don't think so - but your 'spin team' are obviously doing a great job on the GA community behind the scenes!
Just to go back one step -
""Maybe you should ring the FBU and ask, they are there 24/7 aren't they?"
Actually, assuming that the staff there are prepared to discuss it, this might be a very good idea for anybody who wants to know about NATS' visions for their flight planning service in the future. Thank you for that, FlyUK.
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Spin team?
OK, I'll stick to answering questions about AFPEx and ignore the comments aimed entirely at luring me out into a discussion I'm not taking part in. As I said before, I don't work for the FBU, I have no involvement in the FBU, have no idea about the future for the FBU and will not discuss what I don't know about.
If you get an answer from the FBU, feel free to enlighten me too.
OK, I'll stick to answering questions about AFPEx and ignore the comments aimed entirely at luring me out into a discussion I'm not taking part in. As I said before, I don't work for the FBU, I have no involvement in the FBU, have no idea about the future for the FBU and will not discuss what I don't know about.
If you get an answer from the FBU, feel free to enlighten me too.
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FlyUK73 - thanks for providing input on this. I'm currently a user of homebriefing and also Jersey flight planning as flying from Jersey we always need to file a flight plan. Have also used Heathrow on occaision, including when stuck in a traffic jam - very helpful they were too (as have been the phone support from homebriefing and Jersey).
Looking at the FAQ on the new AFPEx web page I see the following:
Does this mean we will need to request access if we want to access from a non-UK ISP (if we're in a Hotel in France for instance)?
Looking at the FAQ on the new AFPEx web page I see the following:
Can I access my AFPEx account abroad?
Certain users will be set up for roaming access. This will allow them to access their mailbox from any PC worldwide with internet connection that fits the Java and Browser requirements. This includes internet cafes, libraries and hotels.
Certain users will be set up for roaming access. This will allow them to access their mailbox from any PC worldwide with internet connection that fits the Java and Browser requirements. This includes internet cafes, libraries and hotels.
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just bear in mind that if you sign up for AFPEx, and cannot access it either from home or abroad, for any reason, you will not be able to ask the Heathrow FBU to help - I am informed that they are currently denied access to any flightplans or associated information which you enter into AFPEx. Something which FlyUK has failed to mention.
Same as he/she has failed to mention that it is the intention of AFPEx to entirely supercede the NATS FBUs, thus giving UK non-internet users/airfields/farm strips a problem when it comes to flight planning and messaging. Something else FlyUK has failed to mention.
As to the comment "..have no idea about the future for the FBU ..", if this is the case (and I seriously doubt it is) then FlyUK is obviously not the mechanic in the project team, but the oil rag.
just bear in mind that if you sign up for AFPEx, and cannot access it either from home or abroad, for any reason, you will not be able to ask the Heathrow FBU to help - I am informed that they are currently denied access to any flightplans or associated information which you enter into AFPEx. Something which FlyUK has failed to mention.
Same as he/she has failed to mention that it is the intention of AFPEx to entirely supercede the NATS FBUs, thus giving UK non-internet users/airfields/farm strips a problem when it comes to flight planning and messaging. Something else FlyUK has failed to mention.
As to the comment "..have no idea about the future for the FBU ..", if this is the case (and I seriously doubt it is) then FlyUK is obviously not the mechanic in the project team, but the oil rag.
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Sigh.
derekf, that statement basically means the application will handle your login differently if you are a roaming user. Clearing cache on logout and implementing a more secure login method. This will ensure that your account isn't compromised on an insecure PC.
derekf, that statement basically means the application will handle your login differently if you are a roaming user. Clearing cache on logout and implementing a more secure login method. This will ensure that your account isn't compromised on an insecure PC.
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pelagic - you seem decidedly negative with your views on something that's been announced that a lot of people have been asking for for some time.
If I can't access AFPEx then I will contact the AFPEx helpdesk in the same way as if I can't contact homebriefing website I contact their helpdesk - why would I want to contact Heathrow if I was using AFPEx?
I've not seen anything else about AFPEx replacing FBUs, do you know where this has been announced, or shall we wait to see how it works? I see this as where somebody currently goes to a tower and has the flight plan faxed to Heathrow, this could now be done using AFPEx instead of the fax.
If I can't access AFPEx then I will contact the AFPEx helpdesk in the same way as if I can't contact homebriefing website I contact their helpdesk - why would I want to contact Heathrow if I was using AFPEx?
I've not seen anything else about AFPEx replacing FBUs, do you know where this has been announced, or shall we wait to see how it works? I see this as where somebody currently goes to a tower and has the flight plan faxed to Heathrow, this could now be done using AFPEx instead of the fax.
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Sigh.
derekf, that statement basically means the application will handle your login differently if you are a roaming user. Clearing cache on logout and implementing a more secure login method. This will ensure that your account isn't compromised on an insecure PC.
derekf, that statement basically means the application will handle your login differently if you are a roaming user. Clearing cache on logout and implementing a more secure login method. This will ensure that your account isn't compromised on an insecure PC.
I was just interested in a clarification of the remote access section as I do access remotely a lot and am very very 'pro' this and can't wait to get my hands on it
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Any question is a valid one derekf .
There is nothing stopping a pilot fitting the eligibility requirements for an account using an AFPEx login anywhere in the world, for any flight originating in any country and headed to any other country.
. There is nothing stopping a pilot fitting the eligibility requirements for an account using an AFPEx login anywhere in the world, for any flight originating in any country and headed to any other country.
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pelagic - "I am informed that they are currently denied access to any flightplans or associated information which you enter into AFPEx. Something which FlyUK has failed to mention."
I understand this system is purely a portal so that pilots can file flight plans and have them transmitted on the AFTN. Once these plans are on the AFTN any ATC unit with an AFTERM can access them and send related ATC messages e.g. DIV ARR, CNL, DEP etc.
I am only too aware of the strong feelings held in the tower concerning the loss of jobs, and the union involvement with it, but inaccurate statements and full scale attack on Fly solves nothing.
Swan OUT
I understand this system is purely a portal so that pilots can file flight plans and have them transmitted on the AFTN. Once these plans are on the AFTN any ATC unit with an AFTERM can access them and send related ATC messages e.g. DIV ARR, CNL, DEP etc.
I am only too aware of the strong feelings held in the tower concerning the loss of jobs, and the union involvement with it, but inaccurate statements and full scale attack on Fly solves nothing.
Swan OUT
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"pelagic - you seem decidedly negative with your views on something that's been announced that a lot of people have been asking for for some time."
you're dead right I am. I cannot see this project as a way forward for anybody other than an internet user - and this is not always available, nor is it to everybody's liking or choosing. The key element here is whether or not AFPEx is going to replace the current system entirely.
Customer choice would be preferential - both systems available together. You want to use the internet? Fine - I want to use the fax machine and/or speak to somebody directly on the phone. This system has worked perfectly well up to now, so why get rid of it?
I accept that it may not be as rapid, but I guarantee that my choice will prove to be more reliable than yours in the long run.
you're dead right I am. I cannot see this project as a way forward for anybody other than an internet user - and this is not always available, nor is it to everybody's liking or choosing. The key element here is whether or not AFPEx is going to replace the current system entirely.
Customer choice would be preferential - both systems available together. You want to use the internet? Fine - I want to use the fax machine and/or speak to somebody directly on the phone. This system has worked perfectly well up to now, so why get rid of it?
I accept that it may not be as rapid, but I guarantee that my choice will prove to be more reliable than yours in the long run.
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"but inaccurate statements.."
what statements are these, then?
" I am only too aware of the strong feelings held in the tower concerning the loss of jobs, and the union involvement with it,"
I don't remember mentioning any "loss of jobs", just "loss of human element", so it appears you are party to information which supports what I've been told. Why would there be a loss of jobs at the tower (you are referring to heathrow, I presume) if it wasn't planned for their tasks and functions to be removed, replaced or automated?
FlyUK
If the functions of the staff at Heathrow FBU are to be automated/replaced/removed, then are the experienced staff at the FBU being relocated to AFPEx (as your specialists)?
"but inaccurate statements.."
what statements are these, then?
" I am only too aware of the strong feelings held in the tower concerning the loss of jobs, and the union involvement with it,"
I don't remember mentioning any "loss of jobs", just "loss of human element", so it appears you are party to information which supports what I've been told. Why would there be a loss of jobs at the tower (you are referring to heathrow, I presume) if it wasn't planned for their tasks and functions to be removed, replaced or automated?
FlyUK
If the functions of the staff at Heathrow FBU are to be automated/replaced/removed, then are the experienced staff at the FBU being relocated to AFPEx (as your specialists)?
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Not tongue in cheek. A friendly invite to ATC at Heathrow for a fellow ppruner. Come on , we don't bite and you might find it interesting and helpfull. This is a genuine offer.
er, can I come??!!
