Best place to obtain PPL Yorkshire area?
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Best place to obtain PPL Yorkshire area?
Just wondered what peoples opinions and reasons are?
Looked at both Hull Aero club and Humberside flying club.
Theres also Sherburn
http://www.sherburnaeroclub.com/Airf...fo/history.htm
advice appreciated.
Liam
Looked at both Hull Aero club and Humberside flying club.
Theres also Sherburn
http://www.sherburnaeroclub.com/Airf...fo/history.htm
advice appreciated.
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Many elements to this question!
One of the key factors, is what sort of timescale have you set yourself to reach PPL -assuming you are an ab initio trainee?
Leaving aside your flying aptitude as weather as a "given", your time taken to PPL will be determined by availability of instuctors and this will simply be determined by when you are able to schedule YOURSELF to go for lessons. If you are only generally able to fly at weekends, it's a case of supply and demand and you will frustrsted at times by booking problems. This leads to problems with lack of continuity = additional training time = more £££ = (possibly?) less training time ETC ETC.
So..unless you are quite happy to take 80+ hrs over 12+ months to PPL the key criteria IMHO is "claimed" availability of Instructors at those times you are available.
Other factors such as travelling distance/cost, flying training hourly rates and post PPL hire rates & aircraft suitability are self evident.
Also, if you are ab initio...you may well find availability of some form of structured ground school useful to assist self learning for the zams.
Visit the clubs you have mentioned and find out!
Good luck.
One of the key factors, is what sort of timescale have you set yourself to reach PPL -assuming you are an ab initio trainee?
Leaving aside your flying aptitude as weather as a "given", your time taken to PPL will be determined by availability of instuctors and this will simply be determined by when you are able to schedule YOURSELF to go for lessons. If you are only generally able to fly at weekends, it's a case of supply and demand and you will frustrsted at times by booking problems. This leads to problems with lack of continuity = additional training time = more £££ = (possibly?) less training time ETC ETC.
So..unless you are quite happy to take 80+ hrs over 12+ months to PPL the key criteria IMHO is "claimed" availability of Instructors at those times you are available.
Other factors such as travelling distance/cost, flying training hourly rates and post PPL hire rates & aircraft suitability are self evident.
Also, if you are ab initio...you may well find availability of some form of structured ground school useful to assist self learning for the zams.
Visit the clubs you have mentioned and find out!
Good luck.
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Valid points raised by SF!
Dont just go for the nearest club to you, look at instructor:student ratios, number of aircraft, types, cost/hr.
Go tyre kicking and check out the general state of their fleets - they may lots of aircraft but could be down a lot of the time due to failures (I have been in this situation and its bl@@dy frustrating - especially when it failed on the day of my test!!!)
Check out if it is grass or tarmac runways? if you get weather like we have now there may be no flying for several days/weeks afterwards due to waterlogging on grass.
Talk to students in the bar. They are the best source of information on a club, not the clubs sales office
Where in Yorkshire do you live?
J.
Dont just go for the nearest club to you, look at instructor:student ratios, number of aircraft, types, cost/hr.
Go tyre kicking and check out the general state of their fleets - they may lots of aircraft but could be down a lot of the time due to failures (I have been in this situation and its bl@@dy frustrating - especially when it failed on the day of my test!!!)
Check out if it is grass or tarmac runways? if you get weather like we have now there may be no flying for several days/weeks afterwards due to waterlogging on grass.
Talk to students in the bar. They are the best source of information on a club, not the clubs sales office
Where in Yorkshire do you live?
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It's a good old Proon chestnut, but for what it's worth, my advice would be to go and learn somewhere with a short grass strip, the shorter the better. If you can find somewhere where the radio is run by someone called Bert who's often having a snooze somewhere warm, so much the better ...
Once you've mastered getting up, around and down safely in such an enviroment, all the rest of it is a doddle !
Good luck. If you end up at Sherburn, have a chat to Kevin Rowell, who may not teach PPL himself these days but is a top teacher and will know who's good. And if you do see him, tell him it's still his round ...
Once you've mastered getting up, around and down safely in such an enviroment, all the rest of it is a doddle !
Good luck. If you end up at Sherburn, have a chat to Kevin Rowell, who may not teach PPL himself these days but is a top teacher and will know who's good. And if you do see him, tell him it's still his round ...
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DTV?
Good point about a tarmac runway? Who would have thought grass airfields would be flooded in July!
Also, check out if the schools fly on weekday evenings. This is a great asset if you can be ready to fly by 1730 or so. Can easily squeeze in 2 hours flying during the evenings throught a big chunk of British Summer Time.
If you live in the North Yorkshire, you may want to consider Durham Tees Valley?
I think there are 2 schools there, St George's and Cleveland, and it's not too far if you blast up the A1 and route just South of Darlington.
Is there still PPL training at Bagby near Thirsk??
FS
Good point about a tarmac runway? Who would have thought grass airfields would be flooded in July!
Also, check out if the schools fly on weekday evenings. This is a great asset if you can be ready to fly by 1730 or so. Can easily squeeze in 2 hours flying during the evenings throught a big chunk of British Summer Time.
If you live in the North Yorkshire, you may want to consider Durham Tees Valley?
I think there are 2 schools there, St George's and Cleveland, and it's not too far if you blast up the A1 and route just South of Darlington.
Is there still PPL training at Bagby near Thirsk??
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Full Sutton near York would be my recommendation.
I have experience of flying from Sherburn, Humberside and Durham Tees Valley, yet am glad I learned at Full Sutton.
PM me if you'd like some contact numbers or wish to ask specific questions about learning there.
Bagby isn't offering training as far as I know, and I've been in there a couple of times too. In fact, I'm not even sure if Bagby is licensed.
I have experience of flying from Sherburn, Humberside and Durham Tees Valley, yet am glad I learned at Full Sutton.
PM me if you'd like some contact numbers or wish to ask specific questions about learning there.
Bagby isn't offering training as far as I know, and I've been in there a couple of times too. In fact, I'm not even sure if Bagby is licensed.
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Liam548,
FullyFlapped is right:
I'm learning at Baxby, but thats on 3-axis microlights, flying the short strips is a challenge but great fun. Bagby does have a training school as well.
However the big problem with short grass strips is that they get *very* wet at times, like now, and so you have to put up with watching the posh boys & girls flying off tarmac on the few good days whilst we look at the puddle half way down the runway. Seriously, it does mean that you have to put up with some days in winter when you can't join the others in the sky.
I agree with all of those who said to go and kick some tyres & talk to the people. I chose my seat of learning on the people at the club as they make a huge difference.
Hope it all goes well
FullyFlapped is right:
It's a good old Proon chestnut, but for what it's worth, my advice would be to go and learn somewhere with a short grass strip, the shorter the better. If you can find somewhere where the radio is run by someone called Bert who's often having a snooze somewhere warm, so much the better ...
However the big problem with short grass strips is that they get *very* wet at times, like now, and so you have to put up with watching the posh boys & girls flying off tarmac on the few good days whilst we look at the puddle half way down the runway. Seriously, it does mean that you have to put up with some days in winter when you can't join the others in the sky.
I agree with all of those who said to go and kick some tyres & talk to the people. I chose my seat of learning on the people at the club as they make a huge difference.
Hope it all goes well
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I recommend Yorkshire Airways Training.
CFI is Capt Pace and his AFI is called Hale.
Do a search on You Tube for their promo vid, but on NO ACCOUNT give them any money or whippets up front.
If you can land in Yorkshire you can land anyplace.
Sir George Cayley
CFI is Capt Pace and his AFI is called Hale.
Do a search on You Tube for their promo vid, but on NO ACCOUNT give them any money or whippets up front.
If you can land in Yorkshire you can land anyplace.
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Best advice is to spend some time visiting the clubs you have mentioned.
In Yorkshire you've got
Sherburn
Full Sutton
Multiflight
Humberside
Sheffield Aero Club at Netherthorpe
Every club has a different atmosphere and of course instructors.
I have done alot of my hours at Sherburn, but ive found the club has changed. I have visited other clubs and have found them to have a better Atmosphere, whilst they may not have the best facilities.
Its all down to personal preference. Visit them all. One thing Sherburn has on its side is the Brand New AT-3 aircraft for PPL training. If you want any more info, please feel free to PM me.
In Yorkshire you've got
Sherburn
Full Sutton
Multiflight
Humberside
Sheffield Aero Club at Netherthorpe
Every club has a different atmosphere and of course instructors.
I have done alot of my hours at Sherburn, but ive found the club has changed. I have visited other clubs and have found them to have a better Atmosphere, whilst they may not have the best facilities.
Its all down to personal preference. Visit them all. One thing Sherburn has on its side is the Brand New AT-3 aircraft for PPL training. If you want any more info, please feel free to PM me.
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I think somewhere that can give you a mix of the full ATC environment and the Air/Ground club feel is a nice combination.
I learnt in the former, and hence had no problem doing Leeds/Teeside/Humberside/Leeds on cross country flights etc, yet I was a little out-of-sorts when I qualified having never visited a small field, let alone grass.
I've heard similar tales from the other side of the fence; people who learnt exclusively at smaller fields who were terrified of controlled airspace, mixing with big jets, and having the circuit active in both directions at once.
I learnt in the former, and hence had no problem doing Leeds/Teeside/Humberside/Leeds on cross country flights etc, yet I was a little out-of-sorts when I qualified having never visited a small field, let alone grass.
I've heard similar tales from the other side of the fence; people who learnt exclusively at smaller fields who were terrified of controlled airspace, mixing with big jets, and having the circuit active in both directions at once.
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If you only ever take off a little grass strip your kidding yourself if you think you'll still be as confident landing on big runway and taxiing infront of a jet in controlled airspace.
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Hmmm...
I wouldn't say we make up our own rules. We follow the rules whether it's grass or a big runway or even being around those nasty big jets
The only difference is that we either tell everyone what we're doing on the radio, or we have someone tell us what we have to do.
I'd say that operating from around any MATZ is good for experience, especially the ones with those nasty fast flying little jets.
....happily making up their own rules ?
The only difference is that we either tell everyone what we're doing on the radio, or we have someone tell us what we have to do.
....and operating from the Fenton Matz is all good for your experience.
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Bat,
My remarks were, of course, firmly tongue-in-cheek : but like most such comments, not without some foundation. We've all seen "interesting" circuit behaviour : I won't quickly forget turning up at a certain small field last year for an OHJ and observing the stately progress of a C152 as it made it's way around the circuit ... in the wrong direction, but with completely accurate (if incomplete) blind calls ...
FF
My remarks were, of course, firmly tongue-in-cheek : but like most such comments, not without some foundation. We've all seen "interesting" circuit behaviour : I won't quickly forget turning up at a certain small field last year for an OHJ and observing the stately progress of a C152 as it made it's way around the circuit ... in the wrong direction, but with completely accurate (if incomplete) blind calls ...
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Liam,
There is always the question of how long do you want your PPL to take ?
If you are happy for it to take anywhere between 6 months and 2 years, train here. If you want to learn quicker than that, take 3 weeks, go to Florida - but not in summer
Then you can fly wherever you want over God's wonderful County
There is always the question of how long do you want your PPL to take ?
If you are happy for it to take anywhere between 6 months and 2 years, train here. If you want to learn quicker than that, take 3 weeks, go to Florida - but not in summer
Then you can fly wherever you want over God's wonderful County
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In Yorkshire you've got
Sherburn
Full Sutton
Multiflight
Humberside
Sheffield Aero Club at Netherthorpe
Sherburn
Full Sutton
Multiflight
Humberside
Sheffield Aero Club at Netherthorpe
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liam, best place to learn ppl
Hi Liam, i'm a member at sherburn, i also learnt there, so maybe a bit biased, but i know what i am talking about!! As already stated, plenty of runway, grass and tarmac ( very handy after all this rain ! ) No wasting time to training area,its on the doorstep, plenty of aircraft in the fleet, well maintained, very helpful flight desk staff, large clubhouse with other pilots to talk to, excellent nightschool very good rates, if you need anymore info just pm me.