Cub vs DHC1 and Yak52 vs Decathlon for initial tailwheel and aerobatic training
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Cub vs DHC1 and Yak52 vs Decathlon for initial tailwheel and aerobatic training
Just got my CPL and looking forward to do my initial tailwheel and areobatic training (endorsment). There is two flight schools that I can train with, one uses Sport Cub (recreational a/c, not registered) for tailwheel and Super Decathlon for aeorbatic, another uses Chipmunk for tailwheel and Yak52 for aerobatic.
Which one would u guys think it is good for a fresh pilot only flown Grob115, Tobago, SR20 with about 170 hours?
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Which one would u guys think it is good for a fresh pilot only flown Grob115, Tobago, SR20 with about 170 hours?
Good on you, thx!
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Difficult choice. The Chippie is the best harmonised machine ever built and is a joy to fly. Why not learn basic aeros in that? There is something to be said for learning the basics without an inverted system and it is fully capable of flying the Standard sequence. As a tailwheel training machine it is just about perfect; if you like a modest challenge.
The Decathlon is far more useful as an aerobatic machine than it looks and although not as nice to fly as the Chippie is capable of more aerobatics. It is also just about the easiest tailwheel aeroplane there is.
The Yak is more of an aerobatic machine and rather different. I like it alot but it is almost certainly more aeroplane than you need at the moment and probably more expensive as well. You may do better to fly more for less whilst getting the basics sorted out.
Overall it looks like the Decathlon is the cost effective choice but the Chippie is lovely!
The Decathlon is far more useful as an aerobatic machine than it looks and although not as nice to fly as the Chippie is capable of more aerobatics. It is also just about the easiest tailwheel aeroplane there is.
The Yak is more of an aerobatic machine and rather different. I like it alot but it is almost certainly more aeroplane than you need at the moment and probably more expensive as well. You may do better to fly more for less whilst getting the basics sorted out.
Overall it looks like the Decathlon is the cost effective choice but the Chippie is lovely!
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If you are after some very good aeros then the yak 52 is better than the decathlon. But as for the tailwheel I beileve If you can fly a club then u can fly any tailwheel but the chippy is more forgiving
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But as for the tailwheel I beileve If you can fly a club then u can fly any tailwheel but the chippy is more forgiving
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You didn't say the rate per hour. I suspect the cub/decathalon will be about half the price and therefore better value for the training you are looking for.
My suggestion is to do the training on the Cub/Decathalon and then when you have experience move onto the YAK and Chipmunk.
A bit like learning to drive, no point in doing it in a Lotus, much better to learn in something simple/cheap and then drive the Lotus.
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My suggestion is to do the training on the Cub/Decathalon and then when you have experience move onto the YAK and Chipmunk.
A bit like learning to drive, no point in doing it in a Lotus, much better to learn in something simple/cheap and then drive the Lotus.
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I've been a Chippy part-owner since 1979, and part-owned a Yak52 for over 2 years. I've also got extensive experience in the L4 Cub and Citabria, and some experience in a Supercub.
The nicest to fly by far is the Chippy.
The most exciting is the Yak (very cpable and a real fun aeroplane - a warbird at a fraction the cost).
The L4 is a delight. A lovely little 'pilot's aeroplane' full of character. Just don't expect to go far in it!
The Citab and the Supercub are quite nice, but deffo the tailenders in this company.
Use the Chippy for tailwheel and basic aeros training followed y sime real fun flying, then fly the Yak for even more aerobatic fun!
The nicest to fly by far is the Chippy.
The most exciting is the Yak (very cpable and a real fun aeroplane - a warbird at a fraction the cost).
The L4 is a delight. A lovely little 'pilot's aeroplane' full of character. Just don't expect to go far in it!
The Citab and the Supercub are quite nice, but deffo the tailenders in this company.
Use the Chippy for tailwheel and basic aeros training followed y sime real fun flying, then fly the Yak for even more aerobatic fun!
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Thank you mates!
Yes, the price of Cub/Decathlon is a little bit cheaper than Chipmunk/Yak
They charge AUD 195 for Sport Cub, 240 for Super Cub, 275 for Decathlon, and about 300 for both Chipmunk and Yak.
It seems Cub/Decathlon is easier to fly, but Chipmunk/Yak is more memorable... Difficult choice
Would you think the best idea is go for the Cub/Decathlon first, then do some advanced aero on Yak.
Yes, the price of Cub/Decathlon is a little bit cheaper than Chipmunk/Yak
They charge AUD 195 for Sport Cub, 240 for Super Cub, 275 for Decathlon, and about 300 for both Chipmunk and Yak.
It seems Cub/Decathlon is easier to fly, but Chipmunk/Yak is more memorable... Difficult choice
Would you think the best idea is go for the Cub/Decathlon first, then do some advanced aero on Yak.
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I've just realised you said 'sport cub' and had thought of the Piper Cub like most who have replied. What is it?
Don't confuse the Citabria with the Decathlon they look the same apart from the dihedral on the Citabria but they are very different to fly and have totally different capabilities.
The Chippie is the nicest to fly; one of the best ever but on your figures the Decathlon seems the way to go.
Don't confuse the Citabria with the Decathlon they look the same apart from the dihedral on the Citabria but they are very different to fly and have totally different capabilities.
The Chippie is the nicest to fly; one of the best ever but on your figures the Decathlon seems the way to go.
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I reckon the Sport Cub is a rebuilt Cub but certificated on LSA category, that's why it is not a registered aircraft. Alternative, I can start the training with PA18 Super Cub which is registered aircraft but it will cost a little bit more $$$.
Check on their website and know more about the Sport Cub ( http://www.cubcrafters.com/ )
Check on their website and know more about the Sport Cub ( http://www.cubcrafters.com/ )
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Thanks I've had a look. The Super Cub is a reasonable way to start tailwheel.
Where aeros are concerned I strongly advise flying a machine in which you learn the basics very well and from the start. This means learning in a machine with less rather than more power and a slow rather than fast roll rate and preferably with noticable adverse yaw.
Energy management is vital in flying a decent sequence and is not as easy as it may seem. Modest performance is a help in learning this. Clearly you can go too far in that direction and reasonable climb performance helps in regaining height lost during a session.
I think the best aero trainer in your list is the Chippie but the club may not want it used for this. In which case the next best is the Decathlon. The Yak can wait until you need it and you can save the extra cash.
Where aeros are concerned I strongly advise flying a machine in which you learn the basics very well and from the start. This means learning in a machine with less rather than more power and a slow rather than fast roll rate and preferably with noticable adverse yaw.
Energy management is vital in flying a decent sequence and is not as easy as it may seem. Modest performance is a help in learning this. Clearly you can go too far in that direction and reasonable climb performance helps in regaining height lost during a session.
I think the best aero trainer in your list is the Chippie but the club may not want it used for this. In which case the next best is the Decathlon. The Yak can wait until you need it and you can save the extra cash.
